1225: Penis Size | Skeptical Sunday

1225: Penis Size | Skeptical Sunday

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:00] Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I am here with Skeptical Sunday co-host Michael Regilio on The Jordan Harbinger Show. We decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

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That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit Jordan [00:01:00] harbinger.com/start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started today. There's an old saying, you can't say happiness without saying penis, which is true and it's a good thing because that's all we're really talking about today, not happiness.

The other thing,

Michael Regilio: Hmm? Happiness hap penis. Oh yeah. Okay. I get it. Fine. Gives the old Beatles song, happiness is a warm gun, A whole new angle. That's right. Never thought of that one before. Now I wouldn't say the

Jordan Harbinger: penis is unappreciated.

Michael Regilio: No. In fact, one might say a decent part of the internet is dedicated to them.

Jordan Harbinger: True, yes. Quite in, in fact, something of a double digit percentage of web traffic is dedicated to it. But what is a penis really? And I don't mean like philosophically. Um, well, like where does it come from? Have they always been around? If not, what was the first animal to have one? Do all animals have them now?

I'm, I'm guessing not, but how, how are they different? How are they the same? Today, let's, I wanna take a deep dive into, choose any term you like. Yeah. There's literally thousands of words for today's topic. Yeah. Today we're talking about [00:02:00] penises with one of our resident, uh, dick experts. I don't know if you wanna be a i I, I prefer skeptic.

Let's go as it's dick skeptic, because when you're really into something, you might be like a Lego head. So maybe you're like a dickhead. Anyway, uh, yeah. Nope, nope. No, no. It doesn't work for you. All right. So anyway, you're right Michael. They go by many, many names. Some people even have their own personalized name for it.

And yours truly included. You care to share yours?

Michael Regilio: Uh, yeah. No, I've never come up with a unique name for my own member, to be quite frank.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, well, it's not too late.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Okay, Jordan, I'll, uh, I'll put a pin in it,

Jordan Harbinger: maybe not on the air, that actually that can wait for our skeptical Sunday about penile enhancements, which is coming soon.

Or one about kinks, which may be coming soon, maybe, I don't know.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Okay, fine. I'll leave it alone for now.

Jordan Harbinger: Yes. Steer clear of it for the duration of this particular podcast. At least you got it. Well, it's fair to say that your two hosts today are in possession of at least one penis.

Michael Regilio: I hope we're in possession of two.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. I mean, we're each in possession [00:03:00] of a, a penis or a wiener, whatever you might call it. Anyway. This episode, like my penis is rated E for everyone. Not well, maybe not really. So

Michael Regilio: you're saying this episode is not members only?

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. Oh my God. Uh, correct. And this appendage is not unique to the human species, is it?

Let's jump into the science. Before we get too crass here, possibly too late. Yeah. Okay,

Michael Regilio: fine. There's all kinds out there. But the og, the original penis, ak, the first known penis is said to have shown up around 425 million years ago. And a creature that more or less resembled a shrimp.

Jordan Harbinger: So, okay. How big we talking shrimp dick?

Michael Regilio: Well, the creature itself was about half a centimeter, so not so big, but it was certainly the start of something very big.

Jordan Harbinger: Well, I'll say, so what caused this development? What reason was there to start having a penis other than other than entertainment?

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Okay. So the penis provides a more targeted transmission of gametes, basically sperm.

So instead of just carpet bombing or crop dusting eggs, [00:04:00] uh, it offered a more precise method. Also, if the female of your species has their eggs protected inside their body to keep it all safe, you'll probably need something to get up in there and fertilize it.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. Something that's able to

Michael Regilio: penetrate maybe.

Right, exactly. Actually, penetration is the key in this scenario now. Just because our little shrimp friend was a fan of the penis, that doesn't mean that every species evolving out there thought, Hey, I want one of those weird looking things too.

Jordan Harbinger: Right? Not every species has penis envy, and not all species out there have penises, right?

Not even close. For

Michael Regilio: example, only 3% of birds have penises. Sharks don't

Jordan Harbinger: have penises at all. Doesn't that make them seem a little bit less tough and scary now that you know that they don't have penises?

Michael Regilio: Yeah. No, not at all. I assure you that's just an illusion. Many dangerous animals share that particular omission.

In fact, spiders are ridiculous. Lots of animals out there find no need for penis. Funny enough, a rooster does not have a penis. Oh, a cock.

Jordan Harbinger: Less cock. How sad. Yeah. [00:05:00] A cock has no doodle doo. And every penis is different. I mean, if

Michael Regilio: you've seen a duck's dong, it's quite a spectacle. Not in person, but let's just say that in researching this episode, let's just say that if someone was to come across my browser history, I'd have some explaining to do and as to the duct dick.

Yeah. It's a wild one. It's like a long corkscrew. Yeah. There's definitely a lot of variety out there. In the animal world, there's the, uh, forehead, penis of the kinna, the single use penis of a certain

Jordan Harbinger: sea slug. Whoa. Hang on. You can't breeze past the single use penis thing. That is crazy. I, I wanna know more about disposable dicks.

Okay,

Michael Regilio: fine. The sea slug known as the Reus Retic is known for its disposable penis. Yeah. After mating this little guy detaches and discards his used penis. Which he then generates a new one within 24 hours.

Jordan Harbinger: By the way, I think we've all maybe been in a place where we're like, I just wanna be able [00:06:00] to leave this here and leave and go home quietly.

But imagine being able to say, here's some dick. You know what? You keep it. I'll just get another one. I think that's kind of amazing somehow.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Well there's a lot of amazingness going on in the natural world of penises. Uh, there's the barnacle who has the largest penis compared to body size on earth.

Jordan Harbinger: Wow. I didn't even know that barnacles had penises much less that barnacles were incredibly well hung. Well, that they

Michael Regilio: are Jordan barnacle penises can be up to eight times their body length.

Jordan Harbinger: Wow. So that's like a human having. I don't know, 50 foot penis or 60 foot penis. Wow. Yeah.

Michael Regilio: I am not even gonna try and think of that.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. An erection would kill you due to blood loss or blood pressure changes anyway. And it possibly would kill anybody unlucky enough to be struck by it as well.

Michael Regilio: Yes. Okay. So there's a lot of penises out there. There's also, there are a bunch of animals that start to develop penises in the embryonic stage only to, um, abandon it altogether.

So

Jordan Harbinger: is that kind of how human embryos, they make a tail sometime and then it disappears and gets [00:07:00] absorbed by the body? I've heard about that

Michael Regilio: exactly. There's even a cave insect where it's the females who have what could be considered a penis. It's like pretty much like a vacuum hose that sucks up sperm from a pouch inside the male.

Jordan Harbinger: Again, can't just breeze by that one. That is, that's something, a vacuum dick.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, exactly. It's called the neo like, and it's a cave insect in Brazil, and they have the opposite gear as us humans. The females have penises and the males have vaginas. This sex roll reversal allows females to actively control mating by inserting their penis like organ, called a ome into the male, holding him for long periods while vacuuming up his sperm capsules, which by the way, the female also uses as a food source.

Jordan Harbinger: Wow. Sperm is a food source. I think, well, on second thought, maybe I'll just leave that one right there.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. It's a super strange relationship They have also, the mating can last for up to 40 to 70 hours as the female uses her ome to hold the male tightly preventing [00:08:00] him from escaping

Jordan Harbinger: 70 hours of sex.

That beats my, well, it beats my record by about 70 hours. Yeah.

Michael Regilio: Beats my record by about, Ooh, 69 hours and 55 minutes roughly. Oh,

Jordan Harbinger: go. Alright. I, I could have used that soundbite anywhere and it could be used everywhere in this episode, but I'm just gonna drop it there and then never use it again. But I think I'd be, people would be disappointed in me if I didn't.

Anyway. Let's not make this episode any weirder than it already has to be. Back to the female spider with the vacuum penis. Nature has so many different takes on the wang from the sound of it. Yeah. And the penis itself

Michael Regilio: has evolved. Just a species do. The more relatable, recognizable penis that we have today, which is erectile tissue and a single protruding structure, shows up first in early reptiles and mammals.

Ah, the first boners. That's right. And with the exception of humans, most mammals actually have a penis bone. Dogs, chimps, mice all have a straight up bone involved called the baculum. But humans decided to ditch it as we evolved.

Jordan Harbinger: So we also, I assume we ditched these spikes and [00:09:00] spines. Right. Didn't human ancestors have spikes on their spike?

Yeah.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, they did. Some early ancestors of human beings likely had spiny or barbed penile structures. Many primates and other mammals like cats and rodents have penile spines. And these spines are thought to have evolved to increase reproductive success by stimulating ovulation in some species. And this is gross, removing sperm from previous mates.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, that's, that's pretty, uh, visceral. That's one thing I remember from bio class and it's kind of gross and I, I remember early humans that maybe that's why we have this sort of mushroom tip too, like make sure we get the other guy's stuff out of there so we can put mine in. It's just really revolting to think about.

Yeah.

Michael Regilio: Well we are talking penises here, so there's going to be a certain gross factor to this episode. By the way, one other reason for spiky penises is to speed up sex, which makes the couple having sex less vulnerable to predators.

Jordan Harbinger: No wonder I don't have those. I don't need that. A long, slow lovemaking process being a good way, I guess, to [00:10:00] get eaten by a predator.

So yeah, no wonder my ancestors and I have made it this far.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, and in fact, that's my new excuse. Hey, I was quick on purpose. I was just trying to save you from getting eaten by lions baby. That's right. Anyway, in humans, the gene that codes for p and l spines called the androgen receptor enhancer is missing.

Scientists believe that we lost our wiener spikes sometimes after our split from the last common ancestor we have with chimpanzees

Jordan Harbinger: who

Michael Regilio: do. Have

Jordan Harbinger: small penile spines. So our closest ancestors, the chimps, have spiked penises. Yep. We just missed the cutoff. Well, I didn't, mine was snipped at about eight days from what I've been told.

Michael Regilio: No, we're not talking about circumcision just yet, but we'll get there. So basically, humans chose to enjoy long love making sessions at the risk of being eaten by lions or tigers or bears.

Jordan Harbinger: Ah, oh my. The threat of being eaten by a bear during sex might actually be a turn on to some people if Reddit is to be believed.

And I went down a lot of girthy rabbit holes when researching my part of this episode. So I'm guessing [00:11:00] humans being the top predator probably also made it easier for the evolutionary branch to spineless dicks and enjoyable sex. Right. And either way, aren't we lucky? I will say I'm pretty happy that we ditched the spines and spikes, but I think a lot of our listeners probably are even happier about that, especially if they're on the receiving end of a penis.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, I'm happy about it too, Jordan. As is the skin on my right hand if I were to be so,

Jordan Harbinger: dude, dude, dude. Uh, I'm looking at the calluses on my left

Michael Regilio: hand anyway. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, so, uh, we humans evolved to have a penis with three main parts. The root, the shaft, and the glands. Inside the shaft are three columns of erectile tissue.

One of which surrounds the urethra, which carries urine outta the body, also semen, not at the same time, thankfully.

Jordan Harbinger: Right. That's one pipe, two purposes. I like it.

Michael Regilio: Right. And those spongy tissues fill with blood about one cup every two minutes to create

Jordan Harbinger: an erection. So it's kinda like hydraulics, I guess.

Yep. Now, once human males had these penises, the final [00:12:00] draft, I guess we started becoming pretty obsessed with them. I would imagine. I, I, I know it's not just teenage boys in the current generations that are obsessed with these things. That has to go way back.

Michael Regilio: No. All around the world people started drawing and sculpting.

Dicks.

Jordan Harbinger: Now, Romans and Greeks were especially famous for this, but it's gotta go back even further than that. There's gonna be some cave painting of a dick, right?

Michael Regilio: Oh, absolutely. It does go way back. In fact, the oldest depiction of a penis is from the Paleolithic period, and it's about 42,000 years old. Wow.

It's a pendant carved from graphite,

Jordan Harbinger: a paleolithic period penis pendant. Nice little alliteration there. Mm-hmm.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, that's right. And as human civilization progressed, we had all kinds of depictions, festivals, arts, you name it, the Dick Festival. Welcome everyone. We're gonna get into, actually there's two that I'm gonna talk about in one second.

Okay. But, uh, the Egyptian God men who was rocking a hard on in all depictions, my kind of guy, uh, the Romans had a winged penis omelet called the fastness. That they hung over doorways to ward off evil spirits. I guess if an easel spirit's coming into your house and he is [00:13:00] like, these weirdos have amulet with a boner.

You know what, I'm out. Don't wanna haunt them. Too weird. That's right. In ancient Greece, the pho celebrated fertility in a phallic procession. Basically A penis parade. Yeah. There you go. There's your penis parade.

Jordan Harbinger: And you thought that the Boston St. Patrick's Day was a bunch of pricks. This one Really?

There you go. Yeah, you, I went to Bhutan and they have dicks everywhere. I wish I'd done a little, now that you mentioned, I wish I'd done a little more research on it. They have winged dicks absolutely everywhere. Every building has it. They're on walls, they're on temples, they're in commercial areas. So it's almost sounds like kinda the same thing with the Romans.

Interesting. So these were ancient dicks or Bhutan when I looked into this. 'cause of course when you're there you're like, what's up with the dicks? It's also fertility and it's also protection against evil spirits. And there's just very, they're colorful dicks everywhere, houses, buildings. Like I said, they also believe that they'll get rid of malicious gossip, so like people talking bad things about you.

And it's like, no, look at the giant dick on his wall and [00:14:00] uh, okay, maybe we should shut our mouth. It's very prevalent in Bhutanese culture and it's also kind of funny and they're kind of in on the joke. It's not like, oh, don't talk about our dicks, we're reverent about them. You point it out and they all kind of chuckle and giggle 'cause it's just admittedly silly how many there are and how they're all over.

And you go to a souvenir shop and they'll be like a whole shelf full of wing dicks. It's just, yeah. Wow. Winged Dicks. Winged Dicks. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me more about dick festivals though.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Okay, fine. There's the Kamara Matsui in Japan, the festival of the steel phallus. It's giant penis floats, but it's also penis shaped candies for the kids.

It's a joyful event. Yeah. I came across my research in Italian mural from the 13th century depicting a tree, uh, that has penises as fruit.

Jordan Harbinger: Nice. It seems like the penis got a lot of love back in the day.

Michael Regilio: The penis was often tied to myth power and the idea of masculinity and fertility.

Jordan Harbinger: So there's a connection to spiritualism as well, like I mentioned about Bhutan, but there's [00:15:00] ancient fertility cults in Egypt, Mesopotamia.

It's kind of a thing back then too. Yeah,

Michael Regilio: yeah, absolutely. And the penis can also be found in the ancient mythology of those eras. For example, in ancient, uh, Egyptian mythology, and you might remember this one, Osirus was chopped into pieces only to be reassembled by his wife, ISIS. Except for one part. Yeah.

You guessed it. His penis and the penis

Jordan Harbinger: was eaten by fish. If memory serves, I've forgotten everything I learned about Greek mythology from high school, except that osirus penis was eaten by fish.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. And that it was, which is often actually interpreted as making the Nile River into holy water on account of osirus penis being down there somewhere.

Jordan Harbinger: Or at least the little nibbled parts of it. I suppose so, yeah. Naturally, naturally adding a god's penis to water makes it holy. Although, is it only me who gets nervous about the holy water? The priests flashes on everyone at a, at a Catholic church. How do they

Michael Regilio: make that again? Yeah. I got news for you, Jordan.

Not touching that penis joke with a 10 foot pole. Nah, damnit. That was actually another penis [00:16:00] joke. I'm not even trying anymore.

Jordan Harbinger: We don't have to try. That's the thing about penis jokes, man. They just, they just pop right up. There you go.

Michael Regilio: There it is. Anyway, so ISIS made a new pianist for Osirus. In some variations of the story, it was made from her thumb.

Others say it was made from gold.

Jordan Harbinger: Ooh, a golden spike. And I don't mean the one from Promontory Point. Is that too obscure of a reference? Whatever? Oh, no. Not

Michael Regilio: for me. Matt. That's a Transcontinental railroad joke. I'm a history nerd. I give that an official rating of a nice but bottom line, the penis was a star in antiquity.

Certainly nothing that was censored or hidden. It wasn't always a big penis evoking power and masculinity. Sometimes it was depicted as small to associate with virtues like humility and self-control. This idea continued into the Renaissance. For example, you may have noticed that Michelangelo's David doesn't have a particularly large member.

Jordan Harbinger: So I have noticed that, to be fair. And I was gonna ask about that because you, you would think like, I'm gonna make a sculpture of somebody or myself, or the most beautiful [00:17:00] person, and it's like, why is he just tiny? Yeah. I don't get it. Well, it is thought to

Michael Regilio: be done on purpose

Jordan Harbinger: as a statement of humility, retrain, piety.

Okay, now we're getting into size. And it was only a matter of time, I suppose, wasn't it? Uh, yeah. Well you knew we were going there. Yeah. Let's go there

Michael Regilio: Michael. Let's do it. Okay. Well let's start by acknowledging that penis size has become an obsession, certainly in the modern era, and it has created a massive amount of anxiety amongst men.

I don't think anybody. Would argue that, yeah. I mean, how could you, and this is ramped up in the past couple of decades for sure, but before we get emotional about penis size, let's start with the science, the cold hard science, for one, the average length of a penis is around 5.16 inches long. That's based on a 2014 review of measurements taken by healthcare professionals who measured over 15,000 men over the age of 17.

Jordan Harbinger: Okay. So I looked into this. They measure erect penises, but [00:18:00] not all erections are created equal. And everybody knows, some guys are growers and some guys are growers. So they use a drug called trimix or trimix to induce a medical erection and then measure. And apparently you do not want a medically induced erection because they hurt.

But hey, science, am I right? Oh, and there's a, there's a whole thing in certain communities where people, well, men are ordering this drug off the internet. Do not do that. Because the reason I heard about this was talking to an ER doc friend of mine. She routinely sees these guys come in on Saturday or Sunday and they've taken this drug and it's very hard to dose very hard, and they come in and they go, no pun intended.

They come in and they're like, I've had a painful, super painful erection for 20 hours, 16 hours, and they have to have it drained, and I'll give you one guess how they do that? So don't mess with this. I have to say that because I was like, I gotta get this drug. And then I asked about it and it was like the worst idea ever.

Stick with CIS and Viagra people. That's the moral here.

Michael Regilio: Wow. Yeah. And [00:19:00] the idea of having to drain, have a doctor, drain an erection. Yeah. Is, yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. And it was how much blood? One cup every two minutes. So that's, um, yeah, that's a gnarly procedure and it probably hurts a lot.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. And just on a side note, I have heard that, uh, permanent erection, I can't remember the name of it now, but some guys that ride motorcycles, uh, develop it.

Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: Bikes, cyclists and stuff. Get it. Yeah. From all the. Hammering on the, uh, taint to, to use the technical term. Clinical term, you don't want it, okay. No, you don't.

Michael Regilio: So back to the scientists that measured over 15,000 erect penises, their findings indicate that the average penis is around 5.1 inches long.

Full disclosure, just 'cause we're trying to be honest here. I did find one other study that put it closer to 5.5 inches long, and I hesitate to say that just in case there's someone out there listening with a 5.1 inch long penis that was just feeling good about the fact that they're actually average

Jordan Harbinger: even 5.5.

Look, when I look this up, there's different country data and there's different data from different [00:20:00] eras and stuff. The average is really a range, and so like the accepted stuff from medical purposes is like 5.1 to 5.9. Yeah. As average, which is quite a wide range, but that's kind of how it should be.

Again though at 5.5, that seems or sounds smaller than I thought the average would be. Right.

Michael Regilio: That's because we've been fed a lot of jargon about eight inches this or seven inches of that. Yeah. But the data is, the data and average size globally is about five and a half inches.

Jordan Harbinger: And is there a correlation between like shoe size and penis size?

I heard that before. Yeah. We've all heard that before, but no,

Michael Regilio: that is a wive's tale. And there is absolutely no scientific evidence that suggests the size of your shoes is in any way related to the size of your penis. Didn't

Jordan Harbinger: think so. What about there? There's something with the index finger

Michael Regilio: ring ratio.

Do you know about this? Yes, I do know about this. And actually there is some data showing a correlation between that ratio and penis size and explain. This is called the 2D four D ratio and it's the ratio of the [00:21:00] length of your index finger to that of your ring finger. Okay. Okay. So results indicate that men whose index finger is shorter than their ring finger tend to have longer penises.

Jordan Harbinger: Okay. I feel like we need to pause because every single guy listening to this, including me, is suddenly obsessed with his index finger and ring finger and no longer actually listening to what we're saying. So go ahead guys. Compare your index and ring finger length, just do it now, get it outta your system, and then obsess over this for the next decade.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, no kidding. Well look, and also as you're doing that, try and keep in mind that this is not an exact science, but for all you gentlemen still out there in the dating scene, when you do meet a potential lover and you catch them staring at your sweet index finger to ring finger ratio, the appropriate response is, Hey, hey, hey, my eyes are up here.

Nice. And uh, this is by the way, a loose correlation and it doesn't work in the reverse. So if your fingers are the same length, that is not an indication of a small penis.

Jordan Harbinger: I see. So this must have to do with something like [00:22:00] testosterone in utero or during puberty or something like that. Okay. You know, it's not hard supporting the amazing sponsors who make this show possible.

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Michael Regilio: Okay.

And just because I've become such an expert on this, I feel, 'cause you said elephants, elephants don't have baculum. No penis bones for elephants, no penis bones. Okay. O to naturality. Let's start with the flacid elephant in the room. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. So, alright. [00:26:00] Now we're getting into it. So let's start with evolution and how that can answer some of these questions.

Jordan Harbinger: I see where you're going with this. Humans, after all, have larger, less spiky penises than the apes from which we evolved. I saw some data on this,

Michael Regilio: right? True. The average gorilla penis when erect is about one and a quarter inches long and the average chimp dick is about eight centimeters compared to a human average of about 13 centimeters.

And yes, I switched to centimeters for a moment so our non-American listeners can measure up.

Jordan Harbinger: Ha.

Michael Regilio: Our balls, by the way, did not get bigger. They just the penis.

Jordan Harbinger: Imagine what normal balls on a one and a quarter inch dick. Looks like. Some of us don't have to imagine, sadly, but most of us have to imagine that, and that's why gorillas can tear you apart limb from limb if you make fun of their tiny little dick.

Okay, so as we evolved, our junk got bigger. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Now

Michael Regilio: the science does seem to point towards sexual selection rather than natural selection as the cause for this meaning. That females chose mates with larger penises, [00:27:00] largely due to increased sexual satisfaction.

Jordan Harbinger: And since we're talking about millions of years of evolution before the invention of clothing, I'm guessing that was just kind of an easy thing for females to assess.

I

Michael Regilio: mean, I didn't come across that in my research, but yes, that seems accurate.

Jordan Harbinger: So a bigger dick will be more likely to provide an orgasm to a mate than a smaller one. Is that true? Okay.

Michael Regilio: Yes. But

Jordan Harbinger: specifically just the vaginal orgasm. So rather than a clitoral orgasm, which I guess doesn't require a penis at all, I mean, see also oral sex and lesbians, et cetera.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Right. And uh, one study indicates that women are more likely to have a vaginal orgasm with a larger than average penis. Okay. This is consistent with what I was just talking about with a female mate choice system that favors a large penis. However, studies have shown that length isn't always the most important measurement when it comes to penises.

Jordan Harbinger: That's right. You're talking about girth, I assume.

Michael Regilio: Sure, and we're talking about a bunch of stuff, but yes. In fact, a 2002 study asked [00:28:00] women about the importance of length versus girth, and while 21% responded that length was important, 33% reported girth as important. This trend has also been observed in other studies I came across.

Jordan Harbinger: Still, though, that's less than half saying that either one of those things is

Michael Regilio: important. True, an excellent point. Also, it should be noted that studies have shown that the aesthetic appearance of the penis is arguably more important. In one study, roughly 45% of respondents judged appearance to be somewhat important, and 27% answered it was very important.

That's 72% of people saying either somewhat or very important.

Jordan Harbinger: So how it looks might be even more important than how

Michael Regilio: it hangs that appears to be so, but the size of the penis does matter now. Don't get too stressed out just yet about this because chances are your partner is happy with your penis size. A survey of over 50,000 heterosexual men and women found that 85% of women [00:29:00] were satisfied with their partner's penis size.

But the same study also found that only 55% of men were satisfied with their own penis size.

Jordan Harbinger: Well, that checks out and is also kind of sad because guys are so down on themselves about this and it makes it, yeah, it makes so much sense, but I wonder why this is, okay.

Michael Regilio: Well, it's because we are constantly fed ideas that we aren't big enough.

Yeah. I mean, obviously the biggest place that this narrative is coming from is porn. Movies and porn movies often use camera tricks or women with small hands to make male penises look bigger than they actually are. Or there are penile prosthetics that sometimes are used in these films.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, I, I've heard of this.

I'm actually, when I was researching this, I got connected with a lot of male performers and they're doing all kinds of stuff. Camera tricks, the women with small hands, but also like weird enhancement stuff. Pumps all this stuff we're gonna cover in the penile enhancement episode. But yeah, prosthetics where they just straight up [00:30:00] put a thing over it and then they make sure that you don't zoom in too close to see it.

This all contributes to negative self-image, negative self-worth, both of which obviously can affect things down south. One, confidence but not only confidence outside the bedroom, but inside the bedroom as well.

Michael Regilio: Absolutely. In fact, men often internalize insecurity because they think they don't measure up literally.

And this can cause anxiety and stress,

Jordan Harbinger: which are contributors to sexual dysfunction. Of course.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Anxiety is a huge player in things like erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, and other performance issues.

Jordan Harbinger: How is somebody gonna love your penis if you don't even love your penis? I guess that's the question.

Oh, you know what? That could be the title of your next book,

Michael Regilio: Jordan. Yes. And look, men who feel like their penis isn't big enough often don't have as much confidence. Right. Which in turn makes them less attractive. That's just like a shitty feedback loop. Yeah. Yeah. And this is where education comes in. We need to let people know stuff like penises bend, it's normal.

They vary in color and texture and

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:00] temperature. Okay. I knew about color, I suppose texture makes sense, but dick temperature,

Michael Regilio: that's a thing. Yeah. Secondary too. It's not always the hot beef injection, sometimes it's just the room temperature, beef injection. And as far as orgasms go, it's not just the penis at play, it involves the nervous system, the endocrine system, the cardiovascular system, and a lot of mental stuff too.

Research indicates that other factors like emotional intimacy and sexual technique are more important to sexual satisfaction than

Jordan Harbinger: size. Yeah. And as somebody who's like, I guess I should just out myself who's been around the block probably more than they should have been as a respectable guy. That totally rings true.

This is my experience. Exactly right. It's just when you know what you're doing and you are close to the person, it's just a million times better. And rarely do you hear much of anything else. And I mean, part of this is gonna be, you know, my experience, I, I've only had sort of one set of gear in my whole life, but it just sounds like we need to really [00:32:00] calm down about the whole penis size thing.

It's just never been an issue for most. Guys other than an issue in their own head.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, I mean, it's true. We, we have to calm down about it, but we also need to take care of your penis because taking care of your penis is also taking care of your health,

Jordan Harbinger: reducing stress, getting good sleep, drinking lots of water, get that collagen, get that vital proteins collagen in your system.

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Michael Regilio: Maybe I will, Jordan. Maybe I will. But you're right. These are all things that are good for the penis and also good for us in general.

Jordan Harbinger: Pelvic floor exercises. Kegels. Kegels,

Michael Regilio: right? Yeah, kegels.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah,

Michael Regilio: that too. Studies have shown that pelvic floor exercises, AKA Kegels enhance erectile function.

These exercises can help address erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation.

Jordan Harbinger: I will say Kegels have been kind to me. I've been doing them for years. There's an app for that. There's many apps for that. We can link to a few in the show notes. They're free. And for the thing that causes men to have a one track mind.

I will say the penis sure is complex, but I don't want to alienate those listeners who don't have a penis. I hope [00:33:00] they're entertained, but I want them to learn as well.

Michael Regilio: Well, actually, there's a pretty good chance the ladies listening to this podcast R is interested as the fellows just ask Sigmund Freud.

I mean, look, we really can't talk about penises without at least addressing his theory. According to Sigmund Freud, girls experience penis envy during early childhood development. Basically a sense of loss or incompleteness 'cause they don't have a penis. Okay, but is that true though? I just, I don't know.

Yeah. Well, okay, fine. Full disclosure. Freud's theories have been widely rejected by modern psychology. Modern psychologists don't believe that girls experience envy and a sense of incompleteness anymore. They just chalk it up to little girls being very, very curious about this thing they don't have.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, so in other words, human nature.

But you could also easily flip the script and suggest all young boys have womb envy that teenage boys have boob envy. I mean, it's not really a, a thing I don't think. Yeah,

Michael Regilio: you're a hundred percent right. And either way, these theories highlight just how much we project [00:34:00] identity onto our genitals.

Jordan Harbinger: I'm reminded of the wave of doce.

Michael. We talked about them before. I can't remember why.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, we did talk about them. And they are a group in the Dominican Republic who have a rare genetic condition. At birth. They appear female and at around age 12 they grow a penis

Jordan Harbinger: wave. A doce literally means penis at 12, which is kind of funny somehow.

Yeah,

Michael Regilio: it's fascinating. Uh, look into them if you're interested. There are many people out there who are considered intersex because they have genitalia with both male and female characteristics,

Jordan Harbinger: intersex. I think I've heard of that. That's inter, that's fascinating. Oh,

Michael Regilio: yeah. Well, I mean, uh, hermite, I think is the term that used to be used back in the day.

Jordan Harbinger: Is that pejorative now? 'cause that sounds kind of pejorative now.

Michael Regilio: I don't know. I, in the research it said intersects, but, uh, okay. Hermite used to be what they would say back in the day, but yeah, I think a more clinical term probably is hermite sounds like, I don't know.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. It, it's sort of in the bucket in my brain where mulatto is and it's like, eh, we don't say that anymore.

Yeah. [00:35:00] Or like how my dad describes my wife as Oriental, even though he means Asian. And it's like, it's not racist, but it's like, eh, it's not the preferred nomenclature man, you know? Yeah. To quote the Big Lebowski,

Michael Regilio: I have found that, uh, a lot of forgiveness. I'm Italian, so the old Italian men in my life, it's just why bother?

It would, you would waste so much time, time to correct all the things they say. That are no longer said in polite company, but I just say born at a different time. I forgive you. Old racist Italian man.

Jordan Harbinger: All right, so I guess the bottom line is you're not weird, you're not different, you're not inadequate no matter what is happening or not happening in your pants.

But you know, try telling that to that big, bossy, omnipotent, present. Culture and society.

Michael Regilio: Oh yeah, you are correct. Society has for a long time been telling men that they are inadequate if they don't have a prize package. And with the advent of high speed internet porn, there is literal epidemic of men feeling inadequate.

Jordan Harbinger: I have heard, and I I talked to a lot of guys about [00:36:00] this in, in preparation for this, there are young men who are so insecure about their penises that they're not even texting photos of them to everybody that they meet, which is such a shame.

Michael Regilio: Oh my God, I feel so bad for those boys. Yeah, I know the dick pic, which although that was a good joke, is more of a symptom of our culture's obsession, but the Dick Pic actually helps me to illustrate a point everyone's heard of.

Men sending photos in which they add something for scale.

Jordan Harbinger: I see. So like, uh, in my case, a Red Bull can or something. So the viewer gets a sense of the actual size.

Michael Regilio: Yeah,

Jordan Harbinger: exactly. I'm kidding people. But

Michael Regilio: yeah,

Jordan Harbinger: go ahead,

Michael Regilio: continue. Right, but similar in porn, camera tricks, like we said, influence the perception of the penis size.

The scale can be manipulated in order to fool the viewer. Also, as we said, and this has blew my mind, female actors. Are sometimes cast, not because they have big boobs, but because they have little hands.

Jordan Harbinger: One thinks of women being cast in porn because yeah, they've got the big boobs and they got the B. But you're saying that the small hands [00:37:00] is almost like, I guess it depends on the target market.

That is so funny somehow.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. And look, porn is determined to bolster the narrative that big is better. And it's not just small hands, camera angles, lighting tricks, wide angle, uh, lenses. These are all the tricks they're doing, including, and I came across this one like just recently, uh, while researching this.

It's known in the porn world as the stunt cock. Have you heard about this?

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, but I don't, I thought that was a joke. What is that?

Michael Regilio: No, no, no. That's literally when they'll cast one actor, maybe 'cause he's handsome or whatever in a scene. But the closeups, they switch in a different guy, uh, with a bigger penis.

Jordan Harbinger: I see. So like one dude is ripped and young and handsome and the other guy is like some middle aged dude, but he just has a giant dong and they're like, all right, stunt cock, get in there. And then they gloss up. And then the other guy goes, this is so ridiculous. Remind me though, to take my next dick pic next to one of those 7.5 ounce cans of Coca-Cola that my wife got for the kids.

I feel like that's a good, that's, that's probably a, probably a little cheat code right [00:38:00] there. Speaking of tricks, the guys I know, again, who I connected with who do porn, they're fond of these penis pumps. And I know we'll probably do a lot more with these in our enhancement episode that comes outside of it.

Yeah. But I

Michael Regilio: think that it's worth mentioning the penis pump in this episode. Yeah, let's do it. 'cause the penis pump, what they do is they increase length and girth temporarily. Porn actors use them for right before going on camera. And the end result is again, that average guys see this and then they feel inadequate.

Jordan Harbinger: And so this is actually doing real harm. This is not just kind of like, haha, they use penis pumps and then guys think they have a small dick. They, the more I looked into this, the more I see there's a lot of guys that are so hung up on this, they're not even talking to women because they feel like, oh, what's the point?

I could never get intimate with them because I have a small dick, even though they're completely average most of the time.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, that is such a good point. And although we didn't really cover it here, I'm curious if women's perceptions of penis size have changed as a result of porn as well. I'm guessing they would have had to have.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. That's interesting. I, I've heard of, I mean this is, is a little bit of a misogynistic term, but we, it's called [00:39:00] girl inches. Yeah. And so women will say, like, I, I had a guy with a 14 inch dick, and it's like not physically possible. No one on earth has ever measured that. It's clearly not true. Right.

Maybe the guy lied to you or maybe you just said that and you, you misestimate. 'cause I don't know about you man. I've hooked up with a, you know, a decent amount of women, zero of them have ever brought a tape measure into the bedroom. So it's just kind of, you know, rule of thumb, mood of the day, how drunk you are at the point in time, and then they're like, oh, it's giant, or it's small, or who care.

I mean, it's, it doesn't, none of it, it's not scientific, I think is where I'm going with this. Right.

Michael Regilio: And it's affecting men. I mean, insecurity, depression, not only does this feed into anxiety for men, it creates an entire market for products and surgeries to fix a problem that many men are only convinced they have.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, it's

Michael Regilio: not real. In fact, here's a little snippet of info for you. Penis sizes are up. What do you mean they're up? This is what I found. According to a study published in 2023, the average penis length has increased by 24%. Whoa.

Jordan Harbinger: All right. All right. All right. Let's hear

Michael Regilio: [00:40:00] it for the boys, I guess. Wow. Okay.

Yeah, but so penis sizes are up 24%, but you won't be surprised to find that according to Google searches about penis pumps are up 70% in the last several years. Wow. So let's take a moment to discuss penis pumps. Why not? Which are in fact, widely used on porn sets, although not widely advertised to make penises larger and Grier.

Jordan Harbinger: Well, that's what they're for. So a man becomes insecure because he saw porn, which makes him seem inadequate, but the porn star himself was using camera angles and penis pumps because he was also inadequate,

Michael Regilio: right? So an insecure person goes out and buys a penis pump to try and make himself as big as the guy that needed a penis pump to look that big in the first place.

Jordan Harbinger: Another crappy feedback loop. Not good, right?

Michael Regilio: Side note, penis pumps have been around for a long time. American physician John King is credited with having invented them in 1874. It was then, and is now basically just a vacuum tube, kind of like that Brazilian, uh, caves, uh, insects. But, uh, yeah, it's a vacuum tube that you put your [00:41:00] penis in and then pump the air out.

Resulting suction can both cause an erection, but also all that extra blood it's pulling, it causes extra size.

Jordan Harbinger: That seems dangerous in so many ways because of the way it unevenly, inflates and whatnot. In fact, it is. Um, one of the doctors I connected with on the enhancement stuff, and I'm sure we'll get more into this in the enhancement app, he was like, those are bad news.

They can do a lot of damage. They can discolor your penis, make it look really gross. And as we just learned, looks are more important than size. So, alright. In a society that seems to be size obsessed, is it really a good thing that, I mean, I guess it's a good thing that you can do something about the size, but then you're trading potentially the health of your penis.

I don't know.

Michael Regilio: Kind of, I suppose now is a good time to talk about the downside of super size. All right. And perhaps having a giant penis isn't all it's cracked up to be. Let's start with how big is really big? Anything over eight inches and you're in the top 99.99 percentile of penises.

Jordan Harbinger: You mean in terms of length, right?

'cause there's also width and that makes a volume calculation. Yes.

Michael Regilio: And we get a little bit into that in a moment, but yeah, anything bigger [00:42:00] than eight inches. And you've got what's known as and quote, and this is what I read in a paper, a problematically large penis.

Jordan Harbinger: Yes.

Michael Regilio: And that is according to Bri. Uh, Dr.

Brian Stitener, he is the medical director of urology at Barton Health. That is per data in the Journal of Sexual Medicine.

Jordan Harbinger: I've been talking to a lot of guys of various, uh, size, especially guys with giant ones. I know that sounds horrific, but it was. So this has been the most fascinating month of research of my entire life.

Uh, anyway, these guys have real, real problems and we'll get into a little bit of this, but yeah, if you're over like eight inches, your clothes don't fit well, there's guys that have not been able to fit inside their partners. There's a lot of people that can't wear underwear very well, or they get kicked outta waterparks because like, no way.

People are like, oh, look at this pervert. And it's like, no, I'm flacid, but what are you gonna do? Explain that to every mom who's covering their kids' eyes that you're not even erect because you're bigger than their husband is when you're flacid. I mean, how is that gonna work? Right? So there's all kinds of stuff like that.

And then, believe it or not, like yeah, it might [00:43:00] be cool like, oh man, so-and-so's got a giant dick. Ah, high school. It's funny. But then it's like. Now you, you don't know if you're just being passed around like a Yeah. To other women. I mean, these guys have real issues. There's a lot of 'em get broken up with 'cause they can't fit inside their partner.

It's so sad because by the time you're about to get intimate, you already like the person, right? Yeah. You might even already be in love with the person, depending on how sex, uh, is for you, how early in the relationship you do it. So it's really, really not good. Lemme try to lighten this up. Large penises also have other funny clinical terms like magalog, Fallis, which I, uh, think is a great nickname to have.

Uh, but again, I'm trivializing these people's real problems. What other kind of problems did you come across in your research?

Michael Regilio: You actually kind of highlighted exactly where I'm going with, because most of the problems are not medical problems for the possessor of the, and I'm gonna go ahead and use the actual clinical term here, which is ginormous wiener.

Okay. Let's start with the obvious,

Jordan Harbinger: right? So the one thing that comes up over and over and over in my conversations with these guys is that it's painful for the [00:44:00] partner, right? And I'm talking about like, you need 30 minutes of foreplay to even be able to get it in. And before that, it's a no go. It's not just painful, it physically won't work.

Michael Regilio: Jesus, 30 minutes of foreplay. Yeah. Who's got

Jordan Harbinger: the time anymore? I know what you mean. Yeah. And

Michael Regilio: by the way, it's not just painful, it can be dangerous. A ginormous wiener can actually rupture things inside a partner. So just try and imagine putting your patented moves into a lovemaking session only to find your partner.

Doubled over in excruciating pain.

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Well, the other thing is, you know, those days back when you were young and Vera, where you could actually have sex like multiple times per day.

Michael Regilio: Yeah,

Jordan Harbinger: well, none of these guys that I talked to were able to do that. There's often a two day recovery or more. Between when their partner can do this again, because the friction is a completely different.

If you've got, let's say a six inch girth instead of a 4.5 inch girth, it's just not even close. So you're not gonna be able to do that more than a couple of times a week max.

Michael Regilio: Wow, that's so interesting.

Jordan Harbinger: And sometimes it's like, oh, she bleeds. This is TMI, but you know, oh, she bleeds every time. And so, you know, that's gotta heal up.

And like sometimes when you're married for 10 or 20 years, sometimes the woman's like, I'm over it. I just, I don't wanna deal with this anymore. And then it leads to a dead bedroom. [00:49:00] So we're out here being like, oh, these guys who are hung, man, they're so awesome. They must be having so much sex. Some of 'em are having no sex because of this.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Or very little. Yeah. It sucks. I mean, it can be stressful. Yeah. Uh, imagine you just said it, meeting someone you really liked them, and you have to wait for that right moment to let them know, hey. I'm really enjoying hanging out with you, but I need you to know I have a giant penis. Right. And it could be challenging, possibly painful for you.

Jordan Harbinger: And like at what point on your dates do you mention this? And don't sound like you're just bragging. And then if she does, it's like, oh, okay. So, and if you do it early, it's like you're only gonna get size queens and you're other, everyone else is gonna be like, what a jerk. He's talking about his penis.

Yeah. If you wait 10 dates, okay, now you find out that you literally can't be intimate with this person at all, and you went on 10 dates and you both really like each other. I mean, it's just, it's kind of terrible. It's a curse in many ways. It does sound like it. I mean,

Michael Regilio: it's almost like the person that has to.

Divulge to a partner that they have, you know, herpes or something like that.

Jordan Harbinger: Herpes. Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, if I had to pick between herpes and a [00:50:00] giant dick, I know what I would choose, but it's still not good. Yeah. So yeah, not

Michael Regilio: the desired result at all. I mean, we already got a little TMI here, but might as well continue that most guys with this particular abnormality say that oral sex is pretty much outta the question, particularly for the girth year gentlemen.

Uh, most partners can't give it because they can't open their mouth that wide. And if they can, and I'm gonna get particularly crude here,

Jordan Harbinger: now you're worried about getting crude. Okay. I think we just talked about draining erections with a needle among many other things. Anyway, anyone still listening at this point I think can handle it.

Okay, fine. Yeah. Okay.

Michael Regilio: If a partner can open their mouth big enough to perform oral sex on a ginormous penis. According to the guys, it's all teeth. Okay? And that is 'cause of the girth. And yeah, 'cause we talked about girth. Uh, average girth, by the way, is 4.5 inches, which is interesting because that's just not a figure we can, like, unless you're, I don't know, you make dowel rods for a living, you hear eight inches for a penis.

You're like, okay, I can picture that. [00:51:00] But in my mind, I'd have no idea what 4.5 girthy inches is.

Jordan Harbinger: It's tough. And you think like, oh, an inch and a half isn't a big deal, or one inch isn't a big deal, 4.5. 5.5. This is the difference between a normal average penis and a, a vitamin bottle, which, like after the show, go ahead and grab a vitamin bottle or just measure the bottom, measure the circumference, and then try and fit it in your mouth.

If it's 5.5 or six inches, not going to happen. So guys with ginormous penises either don't get oral sex at all, or they say get some version of it, that's not as enjoyable. Or they have to date someone who can freaking unhinged their jaw like a boa constrictor. So good luck.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, and you know, Amy, you already mentioned it, but it, it bears repeating that reputational thing for guys.

You know, some of these guys when they're younger, it's flattering, you know, known as the guy with the big schlong. But as they get older and they get on with their life, they don't want that to be the first thing you think of when you, you see them, you know? It's like, this is Joe. He is [00:52:00] been working with Doctors Without Borders for 10 years.

He has three beautiful children and apparently he's freaking huge.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, exactly. I know that people are probably wondering like, what's the biggest dick in the world? And there was this guy who said that he clocked in over, I think it was like 13 inches, but I looked into this and it's just total nonsense.

He like tried to have it scientifically validated, but it turned out to be a bunch of trickery and crap. I mean, look, 13 inches not quite on par with our little barnacle friend who has a penis eight times the size of his body. But let's say the ones that are scientifically validated that I found like nine, 10 inches, they kind of top out at like 10 inches and even 10 inches is like, you can't really find one of those in the wild.

Even in the places where I was looking, where all the people are who are complaining about this stuff. So it's kind of like nine and a half, 10 inches is let's just say the top.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, I mean, John Holmes, I looked into it because he's one of the most famous big penises in history. And, uh, not scientifically, uh, verified in any way.

Jordan Harbinger: Of course, porn stars are [00:53:00] never gonna allow that, right? Yeah. 'cause they're, you're gonna find out that it's 8.2 inches with a bunch of camera tricks, small hands, et cetera. They're not gonna want that out there.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. But the bottom line is, they are problematic. These guys that fantasize about having a giant penis.

In fact, there's some evidence that these ginormous penises, they have trouble staying hard, you know, sometimes it's a lot of blood. You know, and once you're not a young man anymore, that can be problematic for you.

Jordan Harbinger: That's right. How much Viagra do you have to take to make a 10 inch dong erect A whole bottle?

Half the bottle? No,

Michael Regilio: definitely not. In fact, that's not how Viagra works. Just 'cause you said it will have a little public service announcement. Taking too much Viagra can be highly dangerous, can have bad side effects. So even if you have a giant penis, just take the doctor recommended dose.

Jordan Harbinger: That is probably really smart.

Okay, so we've talked about ginormous penises. So there are guys out there, and I ran into this in my research, who have either just below average or like small, it's called a micro penis. And I forget what the scientific definition of this is, but it's, you know, it's not good. Okay, we'll

Michael Regilio: get [00:54:00] into that. And right off the bat, I gotta point out that we're talking about two different things here.

Ginormous penises, whatever you wanna call it, is just a colloquialism that we throw around.

Jordan Harbinger: I think swinging around would be the more appropriate analogy for a giant penis. But go off, let's talk about the small ones. Yeah.

Michael Regilio: Okay. Very good. But yeah, again, giant penis. Ginormous penis. Long, long. Titanic, tally, whacker, whatever you wanna say.

These are just schoolyard slang. Whereas MicroPen is an actual medical term for an unusually small penis. Yeah. Okay. We knew that. Thanks, doc. Yeah. Okay. Well, what you might not know is that a MicroPen is diagnosed by a doctor and is defined as being 2.5 deviations smaller than the mean penis.

Jordan Harbinger: But you say this is a medical condition, so what is the, what's actually the medical condition?

Okay. Well, it could be one of a number of conditions,

Michael Regilio: but the most common is hormonal. Uh, let's talk about how a, and I use this term loosely because there is no normal in penises, but let's talk about how a normal penis develops [00:55:00] in early pregnancy, around seven to 12 weeks, males develop testes. These testes produce testosterone.

Testosterone produces dihydrotestosterone or DHT. Adequate levels of these hormones lead to an adequate penis, which on a side note, I've been told I have

Jordan Harbinger: adequate Oh, high praise. Yeah.

Michael Regilio: Highest praise ever.

Jordan Harbinger: So I'm guessing a disruption of that hormone in early pregnancy is what leads to a MicroPen. Yes. So this is something that happens to the Okay.

Michael Regilio: Absolutely. And you'd be correct. Okay. And this can be due to a number of conditions, including some genetic conditions like, uh, Kalman syndrome and Prader Willie syndrome.

Jordan Harbinger: Sorry. Sorry. I swear I'm not trying to be insensitive here. But one of the genetic syndromes that leads to a MicroPen is called Prader Willie Syndrome.

Okay. I'm

Michael Regilio: 12. Okay, fine. Damnit, it is named for the scientists who discovered it. I know. It has to be. Yes. Okay. And what they discovered, uh, was that this is a problem with a chromosome, which leads to actually [00:56:00] insatiable hunger throughout the person's life that has this syndrome. Leads to obesity, but it also leads to small features like hands, feet, and penises.

Oh my God. It actually can be pretty devastating.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. This is terrible. Now I feel like a horrible person. Small hands, small feet, small penis. But you're also insatiably hungry, so you're fat too, like, yeah. All right. Oh God. This is terrible. Okay, here's, here's a question. If a hormonal deficiency causes micro penises, can a hormone replacement type of thing fix a MicroPen, or is it just sort of too late?

Michael Regilio: That is actually a great question, and the answer is yes, particularly in infancy. Oh, nice. Which is great news for not just the infant, but also for the parents as these can be incredibly difficult circumstances. Yeah. In my research, I came across an article in a medical journal debating the idea that boys born with micro penises might actually be better off if they're raised as girls due to the devastating emotional effects of a MicroPen.

Jordan Harbinger: Wow. That is extreme. That doesn't sound like a good idea, but I'm also like, well, what is the, what is a good idea instead? [00:57:00] Yikes. That's, wow. Okay. On a total

Michael Regilio: side note in that article, I came across a case of a child that lost its penis altogether in a botched circumcision. I had to think to myself, man, that is one seriously botched circumcision.

Way worse than the one on Seinfeld where Jerry's finger got snipped.

Jordan Harbinger: Oh, that's terrible. We're gonna get far more into the solutions to micro penises in our next episode, again about penis enhancement. Let's just say that a micro penis, like all sized penises, is not to be made fun of. I mean, I laughed at the Prader Willie syndrome thing 'cause of the name, but like the condition itself is no joke.

Okay, so we just alluded to it. This feels like a good place to talk about it. Let's take a moment and discuss the uh, natural look versus stylized penis. Can we do that?

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Also known as American style versus European style. The turtleneck vis-a-vis the crew neck.

Jordan Harbinger: Right? Cut versus uncut. Circumcised versus uncircumcised.

And I will, I gotta tell you, the first time that I saw an uncircumcised penis, you know when you're an adult and you see something you've [00:58:00] never seen before in your life and your brain just goes, I have no reference point for this. And I'm so confused. Wow. That's what was happening to me. I went to a sauna in a gym in Germany in 1998 and I was like, I don't understand what's going on.

And it took me forever to be like, oh, duh, circumcision, right? 'cause it's not something people talk about really as adults. And I just remember going, what in the actual hell am I looking at? It was such a bizarre experience for me.

Michael Regilio: That is crazy. So now's a good time for a little full disclosure. Sure. And since I discussed this at length in my new comedy special out this year, look for it.

I was circumcised at age 15.

Jordan Harbinger: Wow. Well, okay. News to me, I guess we have an expert on the yellow snip snip surgery here. Oof.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Well, probably not an expert, but I think I can speak to the pressures a young man feels if he's different from other young men. The old Jim shower thing doing its thing on me, you know?

And here in the United States of America, we have made a choice, a penis choice. We are the land of the free of four skin and the home [00:59:00] of the bravely chopping them off. And, uh, whereas in many places in the world, people don't do that. They just assume little babies are perfect as they are, and they don't alter them

Jordan Harbinger: well, since circumcision is part of the Jewish tradition, I'm guessing that all this started as a religious ritual kind of, or no?

You know what, that's not even clear.

Michael Regilio: Okay. The earliest recorded depiction of circumcision comes from about 2,400 BCE in Egypt. It's depicted in a tomb and in hieroglyphs it was possibly a rite of passage in manhood or a symbol of cleanliness or a social status. So not a religious command, huh?

Jordan Harbinger: I would've guessed that the only way to get a guy to cut part of his body off, or his son's body would be if the creator literally ordered him to do it.

'cause Wow. Tall order.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Well, that actually did come next. Uh, in the Hebrew Bible, Genesis 17, God commanded Abraham to circumcise himself. All male descendants is a sign of a covenant between God and man, or I guess in this case God and men specifically.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. That's the [01:00:00] story I vaguely remember.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, me too.

But I don't remember at Sunday School Sister Lorraine teaching us First Samuel 1825 through 27.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, I don't know what that is. What is that?

Michael Regilio: Well, we already talked about David. Uh, it's the sequel to the old David and Goliath story.

Jordan Harbinger: Oh, okay. Is this, is this where David circumcised a giant? Wait, no. I don't wanna think about how big that penis is.

I might be confusing my stories, Michael.

Michael Regilio: Yeah, I think you might. No, uh, not exactly. It's more about David Circumcising a giant number of people You see. David became quite famous after slaying Goliath, so famous that he began courting the daughter of King Saul. And as I'm sure you've already guessed, king Saul asked for the very standard price from David for his daughter's hand of.

100 Bloody Foreskins. Oh, was the bank closed that day? Why? Bloody. Oh, why Bloody foreskins. Yeah. The bank must have been closed that day. But our hero, David came through with flying colors 'cause he showed up with [01:01:00] 200 bloody foreskins.

Jordan Harbinger: Oh, whoa. Man. I'm seeing why they leave that part out of the children's books depicting the story of David and Goliath.

That is so weird.

Michael Regilio: Yeah. Well the takeaway from the story is circumcision was a big deal and not just to Jewish folk in the ancient world. Uh, the Syrians and the Phoenician also practiced it. Many years later, the Islamic world would adopt the practice, although it's not a religious commandment for them in Christianity, though, not being circumcised was a selling point.

So Paul, one of the earliest prophets of Christianity, Paul speaks of this in Galatians. You have to remember, Christianity was just a sect of Judaism back then. And as a selling point to converts, who would convert to Christianity? They were like, Hey, convert to this new sect of Judaism called Christianity, and you don't have to saw off the end of your penis to

Jordan Harbinger: join our group.

Eh? Yeah. Not a bad offer. Let's be frank here, though. Ancient people were practicing it because, well, things got a little nasty under the hood, the foreskin, uh, as it were back in the days before soap and clean water. Right? Isn't that kind of where this came from? I

Michael Regilio: mean, [01:02:00] that is absolutely my assumption too, but it's hard to say.

But that is certainly a justification for why people do it. Nowadays. In the 19th century, western medicine began to promote the idea for cleanliness, disease reduction, and this one surprised me. They believed it reduced the chances of masturbation.

Jordan Harbinger: Oh,

Michael Regilio: oh God. Well, you were circumcised at age 15. Did it have that effect on you?

I'm here to report that the notion that circumcision reduces masturbation is total bullshit. Yeah. Here in America, it wasn't until after World War II that it just became the norm to snip the boys. This is the world we grew up in. It was in the post World War II gym showers that I started to feel different and felt the need to have the incredibly awkward conversation with my parents that I ended up having.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah, but you were an adult, or almost an adult, so it was, you know, it was your choice. I know a lot of the debate nowadays has to do with the fact that the person you're altering is not consenting because they're literally a baby. Yeah,

Michael Regilio: yeah. And in fact, this is a hotly [01:03:00] debated issue now. The kids growing up in this America now will see a vastly changed gym shower as many parents are choosing against it.

In fact, in Germany and Denmark, they're even discussing the legality of non-consensual circumcision. These are, of course, incredibly hotly debated topics as they are trying to ban long held and revered religious practices.

Jordan Harbinger: We did an episode on circumcision on a skeptical Sunday, actually, and I go into detail about my decision making process with my son because TLDR, we didn't do that to him, and there's, look it, it's kind of a 50 50 thing and I was like, I'll just let him make his choice and if there's a problem, you know, we'll take care of it anyway.

You've had it both ways. Which do you prefer, if I may ask?

Michael Regilio: Jesus, I almost said, it's hard to say, and then I realized another penis joke. Why not? It's difficult to say because I wake up in the morning and I like who I am and I don't feel like I need to change, but I also have no idea what I would've felt like if I didn't have the snip [01:04:00] snip.

I guess I can just say that I truly don't feel like any harm has come to me as a result of the procedure. Side note, when I was 15, I got the snippet. My best friend at the time used a fake ID to get a tattoo, and he has tons of regrets about getting the leprechaun, giving the middle finger tattoo he has on his right arm than I have about the fact that I excommunicated my foreskin from the Church of Lio.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. Wow. I'm gonna be on his penises are way more complicated than I ever imagined. And when I researched this, I feel like I got a, at least a master's degree in penology penology as a result of this. This in the next step.

Michael Regilio: Is that the actual term or did you just make that

Jordan Harbinger: up? No, no, I just made that up.

I don't think that's a real thing. If it is, uh, it probably doesn't mean what it sounds like. It means. Yeah,

Michael Regilio: I would imagine. But you're right. If you've got a penis, try and love and care for it no matter how big or small or curved or veiny or snipped

Jordan Harbinger: it is, but you can get rid of the curve. Maybe we'll talk about that in the enhancement episode anyway.

Stop stressing about it being too small or not good enough, and if you stress about it [01:05:00] too much or it gives you a lower sense of self-worth, you're sabotaging your self-confidence and you're sabotaging your attractiveness. So the best advice really is to just love your wiener. Yeah. Well most guys I know are way ahead of you on that particular revelation.

That's true. That's true. 'cause no matter what you got going on down there, just be happy that it's no longer covered in spikes. Unless it is then love that too. Hey, if you got a spiky, barbed penis, and I'm pretty sure you don't love that too, just, I dunno, wear gloves or something. And again, we're not done with Dix, y'all.

I usually don't do spoilers, but we're gonna go down. What I will again say is a girthy rabbit hole on the subject. So stay tuned next week for an episode on Penile enhancement where you'll get way, way, way too much information about penile enhancement and about me personally. So we both did some seriously penetrating research for that episode

Michael Regilio: that we did.

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JHS Clip: Well, experiential fusion is [01:07:00] a term coined by Richard Davidson at University of Wisconsin Madison, who works closely with the Dalai Lama about altered states and meditative states and such.

And the idea is that. It's sometimes referred to as flow, although it's slightly different. Flow state, you're in the zone if you're a basketball player or if you're a coder, you just lose track of time. But the experiential fusion that you and I are talking about with music is that under the right circumstances, you forget that you're listening to music.

You might even forget who you are. You become one with the experience. There is an evidence base now for music therapies and music interventions. We know that music can affect the immune system in several ways. Listening to pleasurable music can increase levels of immunoglobulin A, an important antibody that travels to the site of mucosal infections and help fights them off.

We know that [01:08:00] music that is pleasurable to you can increase the production of natural killer cells and T cells. Also important for fighting disease and infection. Some music can lead to reductions in inflammation. Why music does this and why the immune system responds to it, we don't know,

Jordan Harbinger: but it does for more on how music hacks your brain's chemistry to heal in ways that medicine can't Check out episode 1147 with neuroscientist Daniel J. Levitin. Before we wrap up, I wanna give a quick shout out to friend and contributor to the show, Michael Regilio. He's got a brand new comedy special out called War Bar. It dropped on October 7th on Amazon Prime. It's produced by Jack Vaughn, the guy behind specials for legends like Bo Burnham and Jim Gaffigan, Norm McDonald.

A ton more. If you dig smart comedy, definitely check out War Bar when it drops. Michael's a friend of the show genuinely. I find him funny in person, just naturally probably by accident. I'm not sure if that's a compliment, [01:09:00] Michael, I'm sorry. But anyway, you don't have to take my word for it. Be skeptical and stream War Bar on Amazon Prime video for yourself.