Anthony S. Luciano Raimondi was born into the world of organized crime, spent much of his life as a mob enforcer, has played part in heists and assassinations, and is the author of When the Bullet Hits the Bone. This is part two of a two-part episode. Check out part one here!
What We Discuss with Anthony S. Luciano Raimondi:
- The joke Anthony told to distract the bodyguard of an African drug lord he was sent to dispose of in Nigeria.
- How young Anthony came to the startling discovery that his father wasn’t a longshoreman, but an assassin in the mob.
- Why Anthony likes animals a lot more than he likes people.
- What happened to people in Anthony’s organization who unwisely brought attention to their part in the infamous Lufthansa heist by overspending.
- The code by which Anthony lived, the lines even he would never cross in his business, and why he left that world behind.
- And much more…
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We don’t want to spoil too much here, but let’s just say the stories our guest, former Italian mafia enforcer and When the Bullet Hits the Bone author Anthony S. Luciano Raimondi shares in this episode cover the spectrum from securities fraud to Pope assassination. Pretty normal stuff, really, depending on what you do for a living. This is part two of a two-part episode. Check out part one here! Listen, learn, and enjoy!
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Resources from This Episode:
- When the Bullet Hits the Bone by Anthony S. Luciano Raimondi
- The Enforcer | Apple Podcasts
- Anthony Raimondi | Facebook
- Pope John Paul I | Wikipedia
- A Look at the Shocking Death of the Smiling Pope, John Paul I | InsideHook
- Pope John Paul II | Wikipedia
- Mob Nephew Claims: I Helped Whack Pope John Paul I | New York Post
- Joseph Marra | Mafia Wiki
- Carmine Lombardozzi | Mafia Wiki
- The Commission | Mafia Wiki
- Frank Piccolo | Mafia Wiki
- Shetland Sheepdog | American Kennel Club
- Informant’s Testimony About 1978 Lufthansa Heist Sheds New Light on Key Element of “Goodfellas” Movie | The Mob Museum
- Lufthansa Heist Murders: How Paranoia and Greed Led to the Deaths of 6 Mobsters and Associates | A&E
- Martin Krugman | Mafia Wiki
- Meyer Lansky | The Mob Museum
- Lisa Pulitzer | Website
- Thyroid Cancer Symptoms and Causes | Mayo Clinic
- The Irishman | Netflix
- Albert Anastasia | The Mob Museum
- Joey Gallo | Mafia Wiki
- Carmine Persico | Mafia Wiki
- Jimmy Hoffa: Top 10 Famous Disappearances | Time
- Michael Franzese | Twitter
- Sammy Gravano: The Mobster Who Betrayed John Gotti And Survived | ATI
Transcript for Anthony S. Luciano Raimondi | The Mob Enforcer Part Two (Episode 426)
Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:00] Coming up on The Jordan Harbinger Show.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:00:03] This guy starts laughing. He bent over. I pulled up that gun, a corner right in the back of the head. Boom! Before anybody knew what happened. I popped him. I just popped this guy. This guy's grabbing me around the neck. I put the gun to him. I had to put the gun in this hand. I'm fighting with him because he started choking me. I hit him five times. This guy didn't budge. The only thing he did when I hit him the sixth time, I must've hit someone, he went back, I put four more in his head and he was still breathing.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:31] Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On The Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people. If you're new to the show, we have in-depth conversations with people at the top of their game, astronauts and entrepreneurs, spies and psychologists, and even the occasional mafia enforcer. And that's what we're doing today. This is part two with Anthony Salvatore Luciano Raimondi, the enforcer. Now each episode of this show turns our guests' wisdom into practical advice that you can use to build a deeper standing of how the world works and become a better critical thinker.
[00:01:04] This is not going to be as instructional as the rest. By the way, this is part two. If you haven't heard part one, you got to go back and check that out. So you're caught up with us here. You don't want to just jump in the middle because you're missing out. Trust me, this guy is next level amazing.
[00:01:18] And if you're wondering how I managed to book people like this for the show, I have a huge network and I'm teaching you how to build it as well. This will help you get a promotion. It will help you meet the people you need to meet, to be successful. It's free. Go check it out. jordanharbinger.com/course is where it is. And most of the guests on the show, they subscribe to the course. They contribute to the course. Come join us, you'll be in smart company. Now, here's part two with Anthony Raimondi.
[00:01:44] Now, for the things that you can talk about, I want to talk about how the next Pope didn't just get whacked. Like, first of all, you wanted to kill this Pope or they wanted to kill this Pope —
Anthony Raimondi: [00:01:52] No, no, no, no, no, back up, back up. I did not want to kill him.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:01:55] Right, right. I misspoke.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:01:56] My cousins did. Not me. No, no, no, no, no, no. I did not want to kill him. I never said I wanted to kill him. My cousins are the ones who wanted to do it, not me.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:06] So this guy, he was — to refresh people's memory. He heard about the stock fraud and he was like, "I got to find out who is behind this. Root out the corruption, take them out."
Anthony Raimondi: [00:02:14] No, he knew who it was. He really knew who it was.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:16] Oh, he already knew. Okay. So he was going to replace too many people and they said, "This guy got to go." And the next Pope comes in and says what? Don't worry about it?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:02:23] Pope John Paul II comes in. We got a call. My cousins are coming in again. "Come in." "We've got to go see grandpa." "What's going on?" They said, "Pope John Paul II said Saturday, he's calling a meeting." I said, "So?" He goes, "If he's going to call a meeting about the stock fraud." They told my grandpa. He says, "We're going to take them. We're going to get rid of them." "Are you guys f*cking —?" "No, we're going to get rid of him. So my grandfather goes, "So you got to go back." I said, "Are you kidding me?" He goes, "Go!" When my grandfather says, go, you go. Grandson or not, you go. Trust me when I tell you. My grandfather was from the old clan and he didn't give a sh*t about nothing. I said, "I'm coming but I'm going to hell easily. Or I'm going someplace worse." "Nah, don't worry," they tell me. "Yeah, don't worry about it for you guys but I'm screwed."
[00:03:06] And I go back to the hotel. The day of the meeting comes, my cousin, Jacob comes in, "You have fun?" "Yeah. I had girls there." I mean, these girls were like naked walking around. I don't want to have sex. I was just worried about it; I got to go there and watch them kill this other freaking Pope. He leaves, he comes back a couple of hours later, and he hits the door to the room. Boom. As soon as I see his face, I saw sh*t. Just the look on his face. I say, "This guy has got to die." He walks over. He puts his hand on my nephew. He puts his hand on my shoulder. He hits that hard. "Oh. I looked at him." He goes, "You got to be f*cking kidding me. He's got to go." I say, "Jesus Christ!" He goes, "Nah, I was only fooling you. And everything's all right, this guy is fine." "You son of a b*tch? I like to hit you with a bottle on the head." I said, "What happened?" Pope John Paul II said anything that transpired before my reign now is forgotten about. I'm only concerned about it from today on. This guy got away by the skin of his teeth. If he said he was going to do it, they were prepared to take them out.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:06] Do you think maybe he knew that. And so he was like, "I don't want to deal with this."
Anthony Raimondi: [00:04:10] Hell yeah, he knew. Of course, he knew he was no dummy. Just because you're a priest in the Vatican, it doesn't mean you're a dope. You know, what's going on especially when the guy gets kicked. The guy cashes his chips in after 33 days. And then when you go by the box, you have that little old smell like leather. that's the freaking poison. And I'll tell you something. I was interviewed. From Spain, England, Rome, that other paper, Hawaii, and all these things. And they got in touch with the Vatican. The Vatican's answer — you know what their answer was? "No comment. Don't come back here no more."
Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:41] Oh wow.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:04:42] And I challenged the Vatican. Get Pope John Paul I, do a tissue test or a bone marrow test or whatever, and you'll see that poison is still in his system to this day. They don't even want to talk to me about it.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:53] Yeah. They don't want to deal with that.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:04:54] Meanwhile, they have the last ship in November after all this came out. My cousin Nancy calls me up. She says, "Put on the History Channel." They had a thing about Pope John Paul I. They suspect foul play all of a sudden after my book and everything came out. And I got in touch with the Vatican. Matter of fact — what's his name? The guy from the Post wrote a big article, but he put it down that I went down there to whack the Pope. What the hell? Brad Hamilton, he put out a big article in October of last year, but he put down that I went out there to whack the Pope. He changed it around. He changed it around. Like he basically said that I went down with a squad that killed the Pope. No, I didn't go there with no squad to kill the Pope. Then he said, we partied after that. He changed the story around quite a bit, but everybody got the gist of the idea. Now, people are looking at me like I killed the freaking Pope. I mean I did, but that was back in October.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:37] Now, I have to get the story about this African drug lord.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:05:41] Tobanga Komolafe. Oh, well f*cking deal. I will tell you when I came out of the service, I still owed them time.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:49] Okay.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:05:50] Because I signed up. I was going to stay in the military, but when they decided to give the country back to the Viet Cong. If it was up to me, I blow this whole f*cking country up. It'd glow in the dark at night. They'll call it Anthony's parking lot. Next thing I know, the next day, [indiscernible] home. Well, they thought I was nuts. I go to the DC Memorial Hospital and they put me there with the psychiatrist. I screwed this guy's head up all the way around the board. He's saying, "Oh, my friend William in back." "Hi, William and meet my friend Tommy." "Oh yeah, I got my horse." "I got a motorcycle." "Oh yeah. I tied my horse to your motorcycle." All this crazy sh*t. And this guy had a file on me this big. He thought I was totally nuts, thought I was going to go in. And so what happened, Captain Amiel Bass _____ who now, Captain Bass is a colonel and _____ is a major, and my friend, Mr. C who everybody's trying to find out who he is, but I let them all guess because I got reasons why.
[00:06:48] Anyway, they come in, they talk to a psychiatrist and tell the guys, he said, "Listen, you didn't have no guy in the back of the freaking room over there and I didn't either, number one. Number two, he didn't have no motorcycle and I didn't ride no f*cking horse over here. And number three, the thing when your watch is on your ankle, the reason why is because in psychiatry school, they teach you — you can't go like this because if you got somebody, they attack you. So you keep the watch on their ankle. When they cross their legs, they can glance at the watch." So Mr. C says, "Get your stuff. We're getting out of here." "No, you aren’t leaving." He said, "We're getting out of here now." They deleted the file. They shred the file and I went home.
[00:07:19] Now, I owed them time. Like he told me, "Since you're home, I'll protect you. But when I call you, you come. I got you until 1990. I don't care what you do, shylock, bookmakers. I don't care if you f*cking kill anybody. When I call you, you come." "Okay." Now everybody in the Diplomat knew this. All the wise guys knew this. They said it. I said, "It's the government." They said, "Well, okay, fine." They didn't give me sh*t, man, that I'm still doing my rackets and everything.
[00:07:44] But yes, I get the call and I go and see him. I said, "What's going on?" He goes, "You got to do me a favor. You got to go to Nigeria." He goes, "There's a guy there, Tobanga Komolafe. There's two of them. There is Tobanga Komolafe and Tobanga Komolafe Jr. You're going to kill Tobanga Komolafe." "I'm going to what?" "Listen to me. The guy is a drug dealer. He's sending a ton of drugs into the United States, heroin and everything. So you're going to go there. You're going to pose as a drug dealer." He goes, "You got to do this for me." I said, "Okay." He goes, "Round up some of your guys." I went to Marco Island and got some of the guys that went to service with me. And he says, "Here's is what you're going to do. You got to pose as a drug dealer. When you got the right opportunity, you kill him. I don't want you to shoot. You kill him. Make sure he's dead."
[00:08:29] I said, "Okay. What's the story?" Nigeria, it turns out — if you know anything about Nigeria, they have gold, silver, diamonds, and they got oil. And guess who gets it? The United States. This guy was stopping it from coming in because he was doing the drugs. So I go down there with a couple of guys and they give me cash. I go around and I'm telling them, "I'm looking for a guy — I am from New York, blah, blah, blah." They bring me to this guy. The guy was f*cking huge. He had to be 450 pounds, six foot six. He had a head as big as a f*cking water buffalo. The guy had hands. It was so big that — you know, watermelon, he could actually pick up a watermelon with his hand like that, with one hand. I tell you; the guy was f*cking huge. I'm telling you I never saw somebody being like this in my life. He comes over, "Hey, what are you looking for?" "I'm looking for two kilos." He goes, "You stay here tonight. Anything you want, girls, food, anything you want, but you're not who you say you are, nobody will ever see you again."
[00:09:28] Okay. Boom! I had women all night long, food, liquor. The guy comes in the next morning. He looks at me and he goes, "My friend, you — big man in New York. You — big man in United States." "Drug heroin," I say, "Yeah." "What do you know?" "I want two kilos. I'll try it out." Gives me two kilos. I give him the cash and I leave. Go back two weeks later. "Oh, my friend." I said, "You know what I need." I think I've got five or 10 kilos off of him. I said, "This stuff is going good." Give it to me and give him the money. Back to the United States.
[00:09:58] Now, we hit them up for the big one. I came back. He says, "What do you want? Anything you want." I say, "Listen, I want a quarter of a ton." He looks at me, "No problem, but it'll take us time to put it together." So he goes, "You stay with me." Now, I had told my guys that the way we were originally going to do it — I had got out of the car and then the car would have pulled up and they would have handed me a gun and everything. We've just started shooting to kill everybody in the car. So I had it all set up.
[00:10:24] So I gone to him — and I'm sure he always carried a gun and everything. I said, "Can I ask you a question." He says, "What?" I said, "You got a bodyguard?" He says, "Yeah." "So he carries a gun that you carry a gun." And he says, "Right." I said, "What happens if somebody tries to kill you? I'm standing here. What am I going to do with some of my fingers? Bang, bang, bang. I got no f*cking gun to protect myself or to protect you." "No problem. Come with me." Go into the room. You named the gun he had it in there. "I love this. Ahh, this is a gun dealer's dream. Let me tell you about this place." So I turned around, I say, I want that one. It was a colt .45 magnum, a very rare gun. "Your gun, my friend." I got it loaded up and I'm carrying it on the side over here.
[00:11:02] I went with this guy for two days and then one day, now we're in the car, in the Mercedes. And I'm looking around. I got this car following me because it was my guys in the car. Now, he had a driver, bodyguard, and him. I get out of the car. I can blast him but then I'm looking. I got to figure out another way. So the bodyguard, he didn't sit down like we're sitting straight. He sat sideways facing the driver so he could see me. But the bodyguard had a problem. When he laughs, he goes all the way down and comes up. And I said I could pull this off into car. I can pull this off in the car.
[00:11:38] So I tell him a joke. I said, "Listen, I'm going to tell you a joke." He goes, "All right." I said, "You got a priest and you've got a nun and they're in the desert and the camel dies. The priest turns around and tells the nun. 'I've been a priest for all my life. I've never seen a woman's body. And before I die, I would like to see a woman's body.' Nun gets all undressed. And priest goes, 'Beautiful. It's gorgeous. I’ve never seen that before.' The nun then turned, tells the priest, 'I've never seen a naked man before and before I die, I would like to see a naked man.' The priest says, 'Okay.' He takes off all clothes and then the nun goes to him, "What's that between your legs?" The priest says, "That my dear is the staff of life." She goes, "Well, stick it up the camel's ass and let's get out of here.'"
[00:12:18] This guy starts laughing. He bent over. I pulled out the gun. I cornered him right in the back of the head. Boom! Before anybody knew what happened. I popped him. I just popped this guy. This guy is grabbing me around the neck. I put the gun to him. I had to put the gun in this hand. I'm fighting with him because he started choking me. I hit him five times. This guy didn't budge. The only thing he did when I hit him the sixth time, I must've hit someone. He went back. I put four more over his head and he was still breathing.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:42] Wow.
[00:12:42] That's how though this guy. When I got into the car, we hit a pole, we hit the pole over there. My guys pulled up. I got out of the car. He was still breathing. I put two more shots in his hand and that's what finally killed him.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:52] Jeez.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:12:52] This guy was like — it was like shooting Godzilla. The guy was f*ck — you know what I'm talking about? I hit him point-blank like this with the gun because when he grabbed me, he grabbed me this way. I had the gun in my hand like this and I couldn't turn it. I had the struggle to get it and I put it out. Boom! Boom! And I'm pressing the trigger. Honestly, I thought I was dead. I got to tell you. I thought I was dead, but the last shot, when I got him, I must have caught him up this way. He went back like that and he went like that to get me. I just popped him right in the head four times. Then he went back and he was this. I said, "This son of a bitch is still breathing. This guy got 10 shots in him. He's still freaking breathing. Are you f*cking kidding me? I got out of the car. I put two more in him because I had a 14-shot clip. I put two more in him. I got in the car and took off and Tobanga Komolafe, no more.
[00:13:33] Meanwhile, Tobanga Komolafe from Nigeria, junior, takes over and we get our oil, we get the gold, we get the diamond and we get the silver.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:13:40] Oh, wow. Wow.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:13:42] Oh yeah, they're sick out there. They were crazy out in Nigeria. They're totally insane.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:13:46] Tell me about the surprise you got about your father because that was a twist I didn't see coming. I know you do.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:13:51] I didn't see it either. I've got news for you. My cousin picks me up too. He says, "We got to go down Pier 7. We got a meeting. It's okay. All the bosses were there. Anthony Scotto was there, Tom DiBella, Carmine Lombardozzi, all the guys were there. So I'm walking out to the pier and I hear this guy, this delegate, I know Joe Fish, he's yelling and cursing at somebody on the ship. I look up and see my father. He's yelling and cursing at my father. I went and grabbed him. I said, "Who the f*ck are you yelling at? It's my father up there. Don't f*ck. You know, it's my father." When I went to hit him, they grabbed me and said, "No, no, no, no, no." They said, "Let it go." I said, "I'll kill him." He says, "Let it go." I'm fuming. My eyeballs are red. "Let it go." I'm busted. So we're going to walk in to go to the meeting into the officer. I said, "Listen, I forgot my cigars in the car. Let me go get it." They said, "All right." Meanwhile, I have my cigars in my jacket pocket.
[00:14:43] I walk out. I say, "Joe, let me talk to you." He said, "What?" I just bang right in the face. I gave it to him. I didn't waste no time. I went to work on this guy and I said, "You don't talk to my father like that." What I did to this guy was a sin. Believe me, somebody runs into the office, telling them that I'm killing this guy, which basically I was. They all come running out. They jump on top of me. They pulled me up. "What you're thinking?" "I'll f*cking kill him. He knows my style. I don't give a sh*t." Dad takes him away in an ambulance. Tom DiBella tells me, he goes, "Don't, you know?" I said, "What am I supposed to know, Tom?" Tom was one of the bosses in good families. I said, "What am I supposed to know? So Carmine Lombardozzi comes over to me. "Hey, Anthony, don't you know?" I said, "What am I supposed to know? Everybody tells me you're supposed to know. What am I supposed to f*cking know?"
[00:15:29] So they look at me. he says, "So, you don't know?" "I don't know what?" "Just go home tonight. Your father's going to talk to you. I said, "Bye-bye." "Just go home. After your father talks to you," he says, "You got to make this right with this guy." He goes, "You almost killed him. This guy is in the hospital. You got to make it right." I go home. My father goes, "Come here. I want to talk to you." "What? What's going on? What the f*ck's going on?" He goes, "How do you think we live so good?" "You're a longshoreman. I mean, you don't want to get involved in the rackets. You're a f*cking longshoreman." My father would get up at 3:30 in the morning, go down through the pier, and then he would come back later on. He goes, "No. Because I worked for the commission, the National Commission." My father was a shooter, it's totally done. But he worked for the National Commission. I never knew this. He never wants to be made, my father. He just liked going out and killing. That was his thing. He used to go out and they gave him anything he wanted, my father. My father had a lot of — they call them Top because he was tops at what he did. They call him Frankie Ray. They used to call them Quiet Frank. "Why Quiet Frank?" "Because he comes up on you, you never heard a thing, and he put one right in the back of your head and you'd never know it.
[00:16:29] Then I found out later on, the New York families will try to get him. "I want you with me. I want you with me. You belong here. You belong there." And my father says, "No." One of the families made a threat to my father. All of a sudden it was the Lucchese family. They made a threat to my father. "You don't come with us. You won't see tomorrow again." My father came home and told me, he says, "I'm going underground or else I would kill every f*cking one of them." And my father would have got them. It got to the National Commission. Now, remember to the National Commission, these are guys from Chicago, New Orleans. It's about Missouri all over and they called the meeting, and the families in New York are in the National Commission, but they aren’t the bosses. You understand?
[00:17:10] They're all bosses, but you got one bench that these are the main bosses. What they say goes and if you don't do it — adios. You're gone. They never find you again. They turned around and they told the Lucchese family, "He gets bothered. He gets touched, his family. We'll wipe out your whole family, starting with you." They pointed right at their boss and said, "Starting with you first." And they said at the commission, "That goes to the rest of the New York families. He answers to us. You want something done? You want it to do it? You tell us, we tell him. If he wants to do it, he doesn't. If he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't do it. Is that part understood?" The whole New York said, "Yeah. Okay." Probably they knew you mess with the National Commission; they will not think twice of having you removed permanently. They'll disband your whole family and kill all your top guys. And they'll take you. If you're the boss, you, your underboss, your consigliere, and all your top captains, all go. Your enforce goes and your street boss goes — gone and they won't think twice about it.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:18:06] Everybody else just sort of joins other organizations and keeps running their rackets. Is that kind of how it goes?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:18:10] It depends on what the commission says.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:18:12] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:18:12] Either, they say you can stay together. They appoint somebody or they split you up and send you and tell the families. But they came down, they said this about my father and that was it. There were no questions asked when they should have this. Nobody said a word.
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Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:54] And now back to Anthony Raimondi, The Enforcer, on The Jordan Harbinger Show.
[00:21:00] So you found out that your dad was the top enforcer for the commission. How old were you when you found out like 30?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:21:06] 24,
Jordan Harbinger: [00:21:06] 24. Okay.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:21:07] And then I had to make good with this guy, Joe Fish. So I went to the hospital to see him. This guy got cast and everything. And when he saw me, he started pressing the button for the nurse. I said, "Chill, take it easy. Listen, I'm here to talk. I didn't know that this was a game with you and my father." Because my father had the FBI following him all the time. So they made it look like my father was a regular working guy. That's what he and Joe Fish did, but they were friends. Now, I go to see my friend. He owned a Cadillac dealership on 86th street. As soon as I walked in and he went, "Ah, I know you're here to get a car. You got to make it right with Joe Fish." I said, "Yeah." He goes, "What the price is?" I didn't know. He gives me the Cadillacs for his cars. Joe Fish comes out of the hospital and they had him down at the piers. So me and my cousin go down. I'm driving a new Cadillac. My cousin's driving my car and I parked it. I walked into the office and he's talking with Anthony and Joe Fish sees me.
[00:21:56] I said, "Joe, come outside with me. I have something for you. Come on." He wouldn't budge. The guy's feet were cemented in stone. He doesn't budge. Anthony tells him, "Go with him." This guy is walking and this guy is shaking. I got my arm around him. I'm telling him, "Joe, relax. You know, I’m apologizing for what I did." I said, "Listen, Joe, you've got, do me one favor. Close your eyes. I got a surprise for you." This guy looked at me. I said, "Close your eyes, Joe." He closed his eyes so tight. He thought he was going to get into the back of their head. My cousin brings the car up. I said, "Joe, open your eyes." He wouldn't open his eyes. I said, "Joe, I open your f*cking eyes. Will you please, come on." He opens his eyes. He's going like this and I said, "See that? Here's the key. That's your I want to apologize." The color came back into his face. This guy was like chalk white. When I gave him the key, he looked at me and said, "Joe, I didn't know this was a game with you and my father. I didn't know you did this to throw heat off my father because the FBI was always looking at him. This is my way of apologizing. This car is brand new. It's paid off. Your insurance is paid for the next two years. When it expires, tell me I'll pay for it. Here's the key. It's all yours, Joe. I really want to apologize." The color finally came back in this guy's face and he thought he was going to get whacked right there on the pier.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:23:05] Oh, poor guy.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:23:05] He thought he was going to wind up beating him in the ocean or the trunk of the car.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:23:08] Oh man, that's a hell of an apology, but he probably still walked with a limp for like the rest of his life, the poor guy.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:23:13] No, he was pretty calm with that after that one because he knew I wasn't going to hurt. He knew it. Everybody knows if I give you my word on something, I give you my word. But he knew, now everything is fine. But I'm going to do a book on my father also because my father — I got a beautiful story. My father took out a guy up in Connecticut, class act that old man was. Do you want to hear it?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:23:32] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:23:32] It's in my book. See, my father got a call from Frank Piccolo. He's the head of the Gambino family in Connecticut at the time. They wanted a guy that they want to clip. My father said, "Well, why don't you get your guys to do it? Because if my guys walk in there, he's going to know because these guys never show up there." So my father told him what to do. He went to the Commission; they came to my father. My father said, "Okay." My father gets all dressed up. This one night, he gets all dressed. He got his suit on, top coat hat, and everything. He goes down to the seller, he comes up suddenly back later. My cousin picks him up. He gets in the car. I think it was New Haven or one of the other ones. He walks in. My cousin is waiting in the car outside. My father is all dressed in a suit, topcoat hat. He walks up, sees this guy. "Hey, Frankie." "Hey, how are you doing?" "Good." Hugs, kisses. "What are you doing here?" "I got to meet somebody up here," my father tells him, "Come here." All the guys came — got about five people sitting at the table with them. They exchanged nicely and these guys sat down. My father walks past him for a couple of feet, turns around, pulls the trigger right in the back of his head at the table. And he just walked right out of the place. The people at the table, they all dove, and nobody could describe what my father was. And my father just went out, got in the car, and he took off.
[00:24:43] My father, he was deadly. Quietest man you'd ever want to meet. This guy cried when Lassie went off. Believe me when I tell you. My father put a guy in a coma over a dog. Have you seen a Sheltie? You know the Sheltie Collies, the little dogs?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:59] Uh-uh, no.
[00:24:59] The dogs are only about like this, maybe this big. The guys come up the block and he's dragging the dog. He's got a wire around the neck. My father then hears the dog crying. My father goes, "What are you doing?" My father says, "Listen, I'll pay you. I'll give you a couple of hundred for the dog. "I'll kill this f*cking dog." The guy picks the dog up. You hear the dog screaming because the wire cutting — my father hit this guy. Bang! Guy went around on the floor. My father says, "Get the dog." I got the dog. I took the wire. He goes, "Take the dog inside, see what you can do." So my mother was in there. I said, "Mom, listen, the dog —" My mother was an expert with animals, with dogs. She went in. I go back outside my father, beat this guy, put him in a coma. My father beat him so bad, put him in a coma that when he came out of the coma, the guy was retarded. He didn't even know how old he was.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:41] Oh, wow.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:25:43] Yeah. My father beat him half to death. And the cops came and they said, "What happened?" My father says, "He's on my property, put his hands on me." "Oh, Frankie, he put his hands on it. You had to defend yourself. He's on your property." That's it. And my father says, "Good. Now he's going to suffer the rest of his f*cking life. Let him suffer. What he did to that dog, let him suffer." My father was an animal lover to no avail. Believe me when I tell you something.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:05] Yeah. I mean look people who abused animals don't have a whole lot of sympathy in my book either. So I kind of —
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:10] And I take after my father with the animals. I don't go for that.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:13] You got pets?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:14] Yeah. I have one left. I have one left now.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:17] Is that a dog?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:18] No, it's a cat.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:19] I got two hairless cats. They look like little gremlins.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:21] Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. They're cute. I like them.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:24] Yeah. It's funny because people call them ugly and I'm like, "You know, It's like my kid you're talking about here. It's like my little, my little gremlin. I don't want nobody talking about that."
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:34] People are weird.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:34] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:35] People are weird. Don't even pay no attention to them. Sometimes I tell them I like animals more than people. It depends on the situation.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:41] I mean, it seems that that's pretty clear given your line of work like you can't really get attached to people, but probably nobody ever put a hit out on a pet.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:26:48] But what I always said, an animal gives you unconditional love. They always give you unconditional love. Just feed him, give him water and let them go in the yard and walk them. Even when you abuse them, they still give you unconditional love. People will kill you in a second and stab you in the back. I've seen it happen more than once. When you read book two, you're going to find out about a lot of guys who stabbed their family in the back and they got whacked. Oh yeah.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:11] I've read a little bit about that. After the Lufthansa heist — which people can find out about in your book and the podcast, we don't have to get into that here — but you had to take out some guys because — is it because they were spending too much money? It's like people get — they get moneyed up and they start spending it?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:27:23] I didn't take nobody out, anything I did — I didn't kill nobody on the street. I didn't kill nobody on the street. Oh no, no, no, no. What happened with Sally Burns which was years ago, you know, I paid my dues for that. When I was in Vietnam, that's something different, but I didn't kill nobody on the street, no. There's no statute of limitations on that.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:43] That's true. I know that some guys were taken out by other people — for what? Overspending, when they get too much money.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:27:50] Well a lot of them were killed by unknown people. Let's put it that way. Mainly for overspending, for showing off, for bragging about it. Like Martin Krugman. Martin Krugman, he was legitimately on television years ago, his real name is Martin Krugman. They call him Morrie in the movie and he runs his fingers to his head. He goes, "Hard to believe this," and jumps into the pool. That guy was real. His name was Marty Krugman. Marty had a shylock business and bookmaking business, but Marty spent more than he made. So he used to go to Jimmy Burke and used to borrow money from Jimmy Burke and Jimmy would charge him the interest. He will shylock him. Marty Krugman brought the deal to Lufthansa to Jimmy Burke. Jimmy Burke brought it to Paul Vario, who was his captain, in the Lucchese family. They're trying to figure out how to do this heist.
[00:28:38] So there's a meeting. I got called into the meeting with them all and guys are coming up with ideas. One guy's idea was f*cking brilliant. We're going to come there with a helicopter, run the cables down, bring it into the office, put it on the safe, and pull it out. And with the helicopter, we're going to take off. And they're going, "Yeah, that's good. That's good." I'm saying, "Excuse me. You're in an airport. Where are you going?" So everybody looked at me. I said, "You're in an airport. How long do you think it takes for jets to come over here and shoot you out of the sky? Two minutes." So they looked at me and said. "With the security that they have there?" I said, "It's impossible."
[00:29:13] They all looked at me and the guy goes, "Yeah, the kids, right?" "I know I'm right. I'm not a genius. We're going to come in with an armored truck, crash through the wall, grab the —" "Whoa, you're going to go with an armored truck. You crashed through the wall with an army truck. You know, how much security they have in there. They have armored trucks in the airport all over for security. You're never going to get out." Now, Paul Vario is pissed because everybody from all the other families, you know, they couldn't come up with no good idea. So, Paulie says to me, "Can you think of an idea of Anthony? I mean, you spent all that time overseas." I said, "Listen, the only thing I could think about is I got one guy I can go see." He goes, "Who?" "I go see Meyer Lansky?" "Why are you going to go see him for?" I said, "If he could figure out — that's the guy that will put it together." I shoot down to Florida. I go to Meyer's house. He's at Collins Avenue. "Hey, Meyer Mike, what's the story?" I told him the story. He goes, "Six million cash. Stay another day or two and relax, have some fun. You go back and I'll be up there day after."
[00:30:11] He comes up the day after. He goes, "Come on, let's get together." Me, him, Jimmy Burke, and my cousin Mac, we get in the car, me and Meyer sitting in the back. We'd go to the airport. There's a terminal. We look out and in front of the park, outside of the terminal — outside the office rather — there's two steel containers, like say three feet by three feet. Next to one another with big — what do you call it? Yellow sticker on it with a big check mark in it, both of them. Sitting there with a chain around the both of them. Meyer goes, "There's something in there. Let's see if they're still there." Meyer goes back. He starts putting a plan together. He comes back in. They go back. Steel containers are still there. He goes, "I'm telling you, Anthony, there's something in there." He goes back, comes back a month later. They're still sitting there. He goes, "I got the plan. Now, we got everybody together." A couple of guys from the Gambino family, the Bonanno family, Lucchese family, main guys from the Colombo family, and Lucchese family, their main guys. Genovese family guys are there. But Meyer gets three crews, one goes into the office to take the six million, one works on one container, one works on the other.
[00:31:22] Now, we got to set up everything. We'll go from there. It goes into two other cars, then will go on the road, then get transferred to other cars. Two other cars get transferred to me, right down to my club. The score goes off. Now, here's what I want to say. When I originally told this story, a lot of the publishing house, "Ah, you're full of sh*t. Meyer Lansky was never in New York in 1978." Well, guess what? The girl who wrote it for me, Lisa Pulitzer got the FBI reports. Meyer Lansky was in New York, in 78 at the times I said he was. So, you know what I say to those publishing houses? F*ck you. Sorry, but I got to say that because they started it. But now they all wanted to book now. "Oh yeah, you're telling —" You know, I don't want to be bothered. You know, understand what I'm going to tell you. They had surveillance pictures of us, correct?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:09] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:32:10] In and out of the airport three different times, but yet the score still went off. You figure it out what I mean?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:15] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:32:15] Now, it was six million in cash, okay, inside. Five million in jewelry that we got, 30 million dollars in bearer bonds, and the other one with the manifest of everybody who owned it all scheduled to go to Germany, the bearer bonds were hot, so we never heard nothing about it. You know, Meyer Lansky said, "The crooks rob the crooks." That stuff was slated to go to Germany, to get moved. They're like to get sold or whatever in Germany and that the people back here, "Oh, we lost our bonds. And then the insurance pays them again."
Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:47] It had to be because you would never keep that much in a container sitting at the airport without people around it. You keep it in the bank vault.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:32:54] No, but the manifest was there. It was going to Germany.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:57] Yeah. If it was legit, it would never be sitting there like that.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:00] No.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:01] There's no way.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:01] And they were no guards out but they did it nicely.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:03] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:03] It was always outside the office, especially with the jewelry. We took five million of jewelry.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:09] That's insane.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:09] That's a lot of jewelry, my man,
Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:11] That's a lot of jewelry for five million dollars. I mean, was it loose stones, or was it like ready-made stuff?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:16] That was all ready. Listen to me, that was already.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:18] Oh, wow.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:33:19] That was all ready we got five million. You go to remember when we did the score and the score went off. I brought the money down to Meyer. I drove down with my car. I brought him the cash and I had the jewelry with me. My end was five million. I brought back up to New York after I gave Meyer his end of the 6 million. I bought the jewelry, Meyer fenced it. And I got in book two who we fenced it to and everything, and it was done. And I came back to New York with five million dollars. Then I'd bring the bearer bonds down to him. He got 85 cents on the dollar on the freaking dollar. I'm driving back up. I got like 20 was about 22 million, 25 million in the car. I took out the backseat of my car. I ripped out a Buick Grand National. I took the backseat out. I ripped out the springs and the stuff. Now, you just got the material. I piled all those stacks of money like this. I made it look like the seat. I was working on it for a day and a half. I tightened everything up, sewed. Now, we got more money left over. Where the f*ck am I going to put it?
[00:34:18] So my cousin goes to me, "Let's open the trunk, open the trunk." And back then I had a big spare tire. I take up the spare tire. Throw the cash in there, we had it wrapped up, put the tire. Meanwhile, the tire is sticking up about this much. Okay. I said, "But we still got maybe another half a million over here." I told him to tie the wheel well, throw it in, put the cover over it. Now, we're driving back to New York. I told him, my cousin, "You know if we get pinched. They're going to take the money out of the trunk and they're going to go to the car. You know, we're going to be dead. They're going to whack us. So what we did, we drove during the day. When nighttime came, we found these little motels where you can pull your car right up to the door. My cousin will go in, sleep for about four or five hours. I'd be in the car. He comes out, I go in four or five hours, pull back in the car, back to during the day. We took our time doing it. We did it in two days. We took our time. We came back to New York. I went into a lot on Cavell Street. We took all the stuff out of the car. When they knew that we were there, all the bosses came down in person and the underbosses to get their end. They didn't send their guys down like they did with the money from the jewelry. They all came in person to get all of that money.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:25] Because it was too tempting for the under guys or they just wanted to see it.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:35:29] Yeah sure. I got over $25 million over here. We brought it back. The bosses got their end. Every boss was happy. The only one who put up a stake and I loved them dearly with Paul Vario. "Why the f*ck are we going to give them any money?" I said, "Paulie, first of all, you don't understand. He put the score together. Without him, it would have never gone off and he's been fencing, everything. Look what he's getting us. It took 85 cents on the dollar. That's unheard of." But these guys were afraid of Meyer. That's why they gave him 85 cents on the dollar. I said, "Look at the jewelry? We took five-million cash, we got here plus six from there. Paulie, who's got it better than anybody over here." Paulie. I loved him dearly, but he was a greedy f*ck. Paulie was greedy and he could squeeze a quarter and make the Eagle cry blood. Listen to what I'm telling you, Paulie was f*cking greedy, but you know what? In the end, he was still happy with what he got because he got the lion's share of it. The lion's share went to the Colombo's and the Lucchese's, but everybody from other families that participated, they got a fair share. They were all happy with it. Not one of them complained.
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[00:40:08] What's it like becoming a made man? What is the process like?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:40:12] That I won't discuss what the process is.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:40:14] That's fair.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:40:14] I may do a lot of things, but I won't say — I will tell you this. You go, you take an oath. There's captains there and the boss of the family. I'll leave it at that. But actually, the actual procedure — nah, I won't give that. That's the only thing I won't say. It may sound stupid, but that was more like sacred to us, the way we did it. Let's put it that way.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:40:33] No, that makes sense. The omerta, right? The oath and everything
Anthony Raimondi: [00:40:36] Listen, 90 percent of the guys don't even go by that no more. This is one I'm telling you. Like I said, if things would have been the way it was years ago, I would have never written the book. But when you disrespect my father and my cousin and all of us. Nah, screw you, I wrote my book. But one thing I never testified against anybody in court. Nobody ever went to prison on account of me. Nobody ever went to prison on account of my book or anything. So they could say, "Oh, he's a rat. He's this." Bullsh*t, I never testified against anybody. I never gave information on it. No, nothing. Everything I'd done is in my book and that's all there is to it. Meanwhile, they are all writing books all over the place. Please. They're wanting to make it sound like they're all priests.
[00:41:14] Meanwhile, they put all the other rackets aside and they deal in drugs and drugs. I always told the guy — one of the reasons I went out on this to, because they wanted me to take over a drug pool and I said, "I'm not going to do it." "You have to." "No, I don't have to do it. I don't want to do it." If I'm going to kill a man, I'm going to kill him, period. I'm going to kill that, man. I'm not going to kill his whole family. You'll get a guy with drugs; you're killing his whole family. The guy gets hooked, he's going to rob his family, his mother, his father, his wife. You know what I'm saying? He destroyed a whole family. I'm no angel. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I've changed my life around. Don't get me wrong, but I was no angel, but I never, never dealt with drugs. No drugs, no kiddie porn, no, nothing like that. And I never dealt with legitimate people. I always dealt with people who were in the same line of work I was. Because legitimate people don't understand what could happen.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:41:59] So basically if I'm just a normal guy and I'm doing my business, you don't say like, "Look, I'm coming after you." None of that, because I'm outside the business.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:42:07] If you're doing illegal stuff, you got an illegitimate business, and you're a little shady. Oh yeah. I'm going to put the squeeze on you. But you're a hundred percent legit. Like you're a working guy, you go to work every day and take care of it. I'm not going to mess with you. I'm not going to mess with you at all. You just open up a business and you're working nine to five to make your business go. And you're not doing nothing shady. I'm not going to mess with you. Not at all. I find out how you got a business, but on the side, you're doing something else. Whether it be hot cigarettes or whether it be swag, doing something illegal and you're in Miami, I'm going to come down on. You know, Miami is my area. Let's sit down and talk. I wanted my end.
[00:42:43] But if you're a hundred percent legitimate guy and there's been a lot of guys that I've met that were two feet, strictly a hundred percent legitimate. I told him. I'll be your friend. If I can help you, I will. But you can't be around me equal because you got to have that envelope every week. And I don't want to know nothing
Jordan Harbinger: [00:42:58] What is swag? I heard you say that before. I don't know what that means.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:43:01] That'd be like a hijacked truck. You got TVs. You got suits on there, shoes, stereos, whatever.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:43:07] Ah okay. Yeah, I've heard it, but it usually means t-shirts or something like you give away swag for your company, like promotional.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:43:14] They use that on TV. That's all TV, please.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:43:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we talk about your terminal illness or were you able to talk about that at all?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:43:22] Yeah.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:43:23] So you're suffering from a terminal illness and — I mean, do you feel like you've lived a full life? You got a lot of stories, man. A lot going on.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:43:30] Well, I still go for treatments, so the treatments would keep me going with cancer. Cancer goes down into remission and then it comes back up. It's called reoccurring cancer. What it is, is you can get treatments and it'll go away for maybe three months, two months, six months, a year, then it comes back again. But what it does, it clings onto a part of your body inside and just starts growing. So how it killed you was it just keeps growing and growing and pushing everything up. But it originally started out as medullary thyroid cancer, which everybody said, "Oh if you get cancer, that's the best one to get." Yeah. Okay. I have medullary thyroid cancer. 30 days later, I had to go and take my lymph nodes because they found cancer in my lymph nodes. So that wasn't the best cancer you can get. You know what I'm saying?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:44:14] Yeah.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:44:14] And then it just progressed. Like now my blood level is like using 10.4. It should be like 14 or 15, mine is always 10.4. I'm taking vitamin B12, super vitamin B. I take a whole load of vitamins every day and all my doctors say, "I don't know how you're walking." I said, "I'm up, I'm walking, I'm not dying yet." Because I wouldn't give half the son of a bitches that I know the pleasure of saying, "Ah, look at him, he couldn't take no money. He dies." So I want to see them dead before me. I got to stay around. Truthfully, it's a struggle every day. I've had four ablations on the heart for atrial fibrillation. I had four of them. My doctors are fantastic. Believe Dr. Reddy, the guy's a genius. He did one side of the heart. Then he did the other one. The last one he'd done on me was six hours. And that's unheard of — a six-hour ablation, that is unheard of. I mean, compared to what I was, it's like I'm a totally different price.
[00:45:09] I still got some problems with it, to be expected. What is it from? It could be from the cancer. It could be from my blood levels. It could be whatever. You know what I'm saying? But one thing I do remember, my father always used to say, "You'll pay a price for everything you do in this world." My father always said that. My father died, he had esophageal cancer. Six months before he died, he did his last piece of work — I want you to know — with a freaking feeding tube inside of him. My old man was tough, but he was something else. So now when I look at what my father said, I look at it — I'm getting paid back for things I've done.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:45:43] I wondered about that. I wondered if you felt like this was some sort of — I don't know if you want to say like, God punishing you or making you sort of pay the piper for some of the way you live.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:45:53] Basically, it's like I said, I'm paying for what I did. Like my father said, "You'll pay a price for everything you do in this world." Anything I've done? Nobody twisted my hand or twisted my arm and said, "You had to do it." I did it because I wanted them. I want it to be a gangster. I want to be with the wise guys. I want to do it. So this is the price that I'm paying. Everybody says, "Why didn't I leave? Why did I walk away?" You can walk away because a lot of guys did walk away because I'm not going to take orders from a 22-year-old freaking kid. I'm a made man. I'm an enforcer. All right so if you know what that is, that if anything happens in the families, let's say like the boss dies. The underboss goes over. The consigliere moves up, somebody else, and I keep going up. I don't take no sh*t from no 22-year-old kid. Why? Because he's your nephew. Or why? Because you're banging his sister and you think this kid's going to give me orders. Goodbye.
[00:46:42] And I went with my Uncle Danny Cilenti. Well, he's not my uncle. He really was my cousin, my grandmother's cousin. He's with another family and there was a little bit of a beef about it. I told him, "They can come after me. It's fine. I'll go to the ground. So the smart ass who said, "I will cover you." So what does that mean you go to ground?"."It means I'm going to go into hiding and I'm going to find every one of you and kill everyone. That's what it means when you go to the ground. You want to try me out right here right now?" I told the guys there. "I'll take your heart out right here now." The guy looked at me and he said, "Yeah." I said, "Pick a move. Give me a reason to take your head off. And I'll rip your eyes out. The first thing I do, I'll rip your eyes right out of your head. Give me a reason. Don't think that because you think who the hell you are, you're a little younger than me, you're going to boss me, it's not going to happen."
[00:47:23] I went someplace else with another family. And then I'm seeing things that were changing there where everybody started dying, I said, "You know what? It's nothing like it was when I was growing up." Nothing like it at all. It's like the difference between day and night, it doesn't even resemble anything. You'll have all these guys, they will tell, "Yeah, blah, blah, blah." They're all full of sh*t. They're all full of sh*t because you know what. I’ve never seen one guy go and do anything by himself. He's always got to take two and three and four guys with him. In my day, you went. The most, you did, maybe it took a guy to drive you and there was another made guy. Otherwise, you went by yourself, you did what you did, and you came home and that was it, over and under. You went home, you went to sleep that night and everything was over and done with.
[00:48:03] These kids nowadays. You can't trust none of them. Everybody says, "Yeah, you can't." I'm 66. I'm going to be 67. The kids in their 20s, 30s, 40s, even in their 50s, I call them kids. You can't trust them. They're just coming up. Half of them, I don't even know because I never met them. And the ones that I do know, they got in because like I said, their uncle was somebody. So the uncle brought them in and made them. Well, what did he do to prove that he's made? What did he do to prove that he should be a made guy? That he should be a member over here? Because he's your nephew. It doesn't work. To me, it doesn't work like that. That's not the way it is. And all the old-timers are dead, like my uncles, they must be spinning their graves because if they were alive now and see what happened over here now — my grandfathers, they will probably wind up whacking out every one of them. It doesn't work that way.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:48:49] Do you ever feel bad about shaking people down or beating people up —
Anthony Raimondi: [00:48:52] No
Jordan Harbinger: [00:48:52] — or any of this stuff?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:48:53] No. Anybody that I ever messed with was in the same line of business I was in, or they were doing a lot of illegal stuff. No, I never felt bad about it. It was business. Nothing personal. You never make it personal. It's always a business thing because businesses make money. I mean, it makes money. I mean, you'll come into my neighborhood. I have a particular area. Now, you come in and you open up a gambling parlor. You're not giving my end in that. You're in my territory. You're giving my end in that. That's a big mistake. I'm going to come and see you. And I'm going to tell you, "Listen," and I'll talk to you nicely, "Look, this is my area and you're in here, a couple of weeks, whatever, okay. What's my end?" "Oh, I don't get an end." "No problem." "You sure? Okay." By the time you have the next night, I'll make sure the whole place got busted up and you wound up in the hospital. Now, if you're smart and you say, "Anthony, what are you looking for?"
Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:40] Right.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:49:41] "I'm looking for one third or I'm looking for twenty-five," but you're in my area, remember? It's not that I'm going into an outside area. You're in my area where I operate. So that's my area. You're coming in there without even telling me. That's not right.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:54] Do you have any regrets?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:49:56] The only regret, two or three, that I have really is where I put my mother and father too. That and my animals that died. That I couldn't save my mother and father, and my pets that I had, that I couldn't save them and make them live longer and cure them up. Otherwise, those are the only regrets I got. Huxley was telling me to tell you about the movie, The Irishman.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:17] Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. We have like 12 minutes or something. You want to throw that in?
Anthony Raimondi: [00:50:21] I've seen the movie, The Irishman, and I wrote on Facebook to Martin Scorsese and to Robert De Niro. Like I said, I love everything they do. It's a bullsh*t story. I'll tell you why. One, there's a scene in there where Albert Anastasia gets killed. That was my father, Joe Gallo, and Carmine Persico — number one. Number two, the second part is where Joe Gallo got killed in the street in Little Italy. You see Robert De Niro running in, the guy falls on the street, and he shoots him — no. My father is the one who put the last two bullets in him when he ran out of the restaurant. That was my father. And when you see him that he quote-unquote killed Jimmy Hoffa. It's not true. My father was one of the guys who got rid of him. My father told me all of these. I know all of these for a fact. I know all of these for a fact because my father told me everything when he was dying. And all the guys I knew did it. This guy took my father's life and put it on there.
[00:51:15] And I wrote on Facebook because I didn't know Martin Scorsese address or Robert de Niro's. And I told them the guy is lying to you. This is my father. I can tell you exactly what happened every time. And as far as Jimmy Hoffa, my father said he went into an oven. He went into the big oven where they melted the cars down. I've been saying this since last year. Since last year, I've been saying this and I've been writing about it. And I got little — I did the videos and everything on Facebook, I've been writing a lot about this.
[00:51:47] I've seen today, Michael Franzese, saying, "Oh yeah, this guy was lying." You son of a b*tch? I've been saying this since last year, all of a sudden you come out with it now. Where did you get it from? The stuff I wrote. "Oh, I know the guy who did it." You're full of sh*t. And I'll say that he's full of sh*t. I knew his father Sonny. Then they had another thing saying that Michael was worth $20 billion dollars. Who says he's worth 20? They said that Esquire Magazine said it. He may have been the riches gangster, but he wasn't worth no 20 billion, please. That's a crock of bullsh*t.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:18] Sammy the Bull told me that Franzese doesn't know any of this stuff that he's talking about and that it's a complete fabrication and he didn't even really see that guy around.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:52:26] No, I met Michael once. Once I met him, I was down by Monte's. "Oh, Michael, this is Anthony. Anthony, this is Michael." "How are you doing?" That was it. But he never stood with us. He never stood down by the Diplomat. He never stood in Monte's. Anytime we went somewhere like to one of the clubs, I've never seen him there. He said he was shaking him down for the gasoline tax, which he probably was because he says, "Oh, I was giving the boss of the family 400,000 a week. I'm making two million a week and 400,000 a week." First of all, he was only here for a short while. He started getting into it, according to him, because I didn't know, in 1975. And he walked away what? In the '90s. So if you're doing this gasoline tax, you can accumulate 20 big, do the math. If you're getting two million dollars a week on 10 weeks as 20 million. That's a hundred million a year. All right. So it will take you 10 years to get a billion dollars. So you made 20 billion. Come on, please.
[00:53:20] I mean, look, you became a preacher, you got a good thing going, you do motivational speech. Great. Great. You walked away which one thing I can say I never heard that he ratted on anybody. I could be honest with you on that. But come on, now you're embellishing the story. You're making it more than what it is. Come on, let's be serious here. All of a sudden, he knows about Jimmy Hoffa. He never said it years ago. I've been saying this for over a year because my book came out in September last year and I gave a lot of interviews and I was saying it. And then when I've seen the movie, the Irishman. I blew fit. And I wrote to Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro. And I said, if you want to know the real story, ask me. I put it out on Facebook. And I put on Facebook, anybody who knows him, tell him to get in touch with me. And this was like seven, eight, nine months ago when I did it. I never heard from anybody. I could tell you the real story of what happened with Jimmy Hoffa, from my father and all the guys that were there and with Joe Gallo and the whole nine yards. That's what got me pissed off to be honest with Michael because all of a sudden, he comes up with this story — all of a sudden, I mean, come on, let's be serious. Why didn't you say this a long time ago?
Jordan Harbinger: [00:54:22] They want the YouTube clout.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:54:24] My thing was on — I think somebody posted my thing on YouTube at one time. I'm not sure, but I had it in the videos that I made. I was talking about it. If you check any of the old ones that I made. I'll show you that we haven't got to — I show him like, you know, videos that I did that like when you record on your phone and I put it up and I've been sharing a lot about my father since last year with The Irishman and with everything else and about Jimmy Hoffa and all of a sudden now he goes, "Oh, I know the guy who killed Jimmy Hoffa. He's still around." Yeah. Okay. There may be one good, one old-timer, I haven't heard from this guy, it's got to be five years. He might be dead.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:55:00] I think a lot of the mafia stuff really is romanticized, of course, by Americans. So people want to be close to that because they get a little bit of Internet points. They get some social status from it, even if they had nothing to do with it. And they figured nobody else is going to correct the record
Anthony Raimondi: [00:55:14] Yeah, but the thing is this, legitimate people do not understand. You hook up with a wise guy. You got to remember something, kind in an envelope there. And then again, you got to remember too, if something goes wrong, they could turn around and say, "Well, you know, listen, you got this kid covering around you." "How do we know he didn't talk?" "Oh, he didn't talk." "Well, you know what? Get rid of him." You might be killing an innocent guy. People don't understand that. They only look at us, "Oh, I'm with this guy. I'm with that guy." They don't understand what really happens behind the scenes. It's not like that. It's not like you see on TV, they romanced it and put everything up. It doesn't go that way.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:55:49] I'm looking forward to having you back on the show when book two comes out, when your documentary comes out, this has been super entertaining, informative. I really appreciate you coming in, man. This has been great. Next one, we'll do it in person.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:55:59] Okay, you got the number. Anytime you want to speak to me. There's no problem. Hopefully, book two, I'll have it out by sometime next year.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:56:05] Great. Good. Well, have a great day, and thanks again for your time and for your stories. It's been a great — hell of an episode.
Anthony Raimondi: [00:56:11] My pleasure. It's been a pleasure meeting you.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:56:15] I've got some thoughts on this episode, but before I get into that, I wanted to give you a preview of one of my favorite stories. From an earlier episode of the show with Jonna Mendez. She was the chief of disguise for the CIA in Moscow during the latter part of the Cold War. We'd really get into the weeds and how they hid people and hid spy gear in one of the most hostile espionage environments anywhere in the world.
Jonna Mendez: [00:56:37] We invented a technology that didn't even exist yet. The small batteries, for instance, they're in our watches and our phones and all of that stuff today.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:56:45] They're kind of like Q from James Bond, but it's the CIA.
Jonna Mendez: [00:56:49] We could create any kind of character over your face. Masks that came out of Hollywood.
[00:56:55] We'd say great. Go down to the cafeteria and have lunch. This is at CIA headquarters where everybody knows everybody in the cafeteria and they would go and discover that no one paid any attention to them. You go, "Wow. I'm hiding in plain sight."
[00:57:10] They were following us just every minute. The case officer would step out of the car. The driver would hit a button. This dummy would pop up wearing the same clothes as the guy that had just left. Trailing surveillance would come around the corner and they follow that car all night. They never knew.
[00:57:26] And if they could get to those people, they would execute them. They were feeding people into these crematoriums, feet first alive.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:57:33] Unbelievable.
Jonna Mendez: [00:57:34] A really valuable agent said, "I'll work for you on one condition." And that is that you give me the ability to take my own life. Eventually, everybody got arrested. So they arrested him and we had put that "L" pill we gave him in the cap of the Montblanc pen. It was cyanide and he knew where it was. And they said we want you to write the confession. So they brought him his Montblanc pen.
Jordan Harbinger: [00:58:00] For more with Jonna Mendez including some incredible spy stories that will really perk your ears, check out episode 344 of The Jordan Harbinger Show.
[00:58:11] Big thank you to Anthony Raimondi. His podcast is called The Enforcer. This is wild. I told you I didn't even get into his involvement in the movie Saturday Night Fever, how that came about. He doesn't look like much of a dancer, but what do I know. There's stories about the mayor of New York Ed Koch to get the bids to build the west side of the highway, all kinds of like anti-mafia people just being snuggled up to the mob. He talks about Meyer Lansky. If you've ever seen any mob movie, he's a character in almost all of them. He talks about some pretty gnarly hits and all his friends have died at this point from nature, bullets, died in prison. He says the new mafia guys are just street guys who sell drugs. The honor is all gone and that's why he left. And that's why he's talking. I definitely want to do more with him. He's got stories of working for the central intelligence agency after Vietnam. He's got stories from Vietnam, there's all kinds of stuff. We just didn't even have time in the three hours that we recorded.
[00:59:07] And if you're watching this video on YouTube, let me just say, without incriminating anyone, that cane you see him in studio, It's not just a cane and I'll leave it at that. Many people will wonder if all this stuff is true. I will say I was in that camp where I said, "Come on, man," to the person who introduced me to him. I also have to say, there are a few sources who can confirm much, but not all of this, his timelines, his names that he mentioned, those all lined up. So if you don't believe him, then your other conclusion has to be that he is an amazingly detailed researcher and has an amazing memory for stories that aren't his or that aren't true. For me personally, I buy it for what it's worth. It's just too much going on that's lined up for me to believe that he has concocted it. And, you know, frankly done a terrible job of monetizing it. If he was a con man, you'd think he would've been a better marketer, but you know what? Maybe I'm naive.
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