162: Cesar Millan | Seeing the World from a Dog Whisperer’s Perspective

Transcript for Cesar Millan | Seeing the World from a Dog Whisperer’s Perspective (Episode 162)

Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:00] Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason DeFillippo. I've always been supremely interested in human nature and I want to learn what makes us tick. Of course, that's why we're all here. I want to learn what influences us, why we behave the way that we do. So, of course, when I heard that was a guy who could train untrainable dogs and much of what he was doing was reprogramming the owner of the dogs, I was fascinated. I think we've all grown up in some way, as big grown up kids or otherwise, with the Dog Whisperer. And today on The Jordan Harbinger Show, we're here live from Cesar Millan's ranch talking to the man himself. Today, we'll explore Cesar's journey from one of the most dangerous parts of Mexico to being homeless on the streets of LA, to worldwide fame as the man we've come to see has damn near supernatural powers when it comes to training dogs, and of course, training their human companions as well.

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Cesar Millan: [00:01:29] Yeah. It’s no touch, no talk, no eye contact. If you were in a situation where it's with his horses, you will have no problem behaving calm. Because for many, many, many, many years, people have told you the horses are a very sensitive species and the best way to get to their heart as if you are calm and you ask for a space that means respect. So calmness leads you to trust and space leads you to respect. For some reason that information didn't go to the dog-loving world, it stayed with the horse-loving world, you know?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:05] Yeah. I would never run up to a horse and go, “Ha ha.” I’d feel like I would get bit or kicked pretty quick.

Cesar Millan: [00:02:10] Oh, you can make the horse run away from you. So your experience of getting to know the horse will be zero, right? So you're not only going to do that, but if you have a child next to you, you make sure that that child follows that ritual, you know? Because you know, that's what is best for the next generation and for the horse as well.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:31] That's interesting. So you recommend that with all dogs, generally, don't lean down and start petting them right away and start talking with them right away.

Cesar Millan: [00:02:41] Especially because they don't know you.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:43] Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Not every dog is friendly, right?

Cesar Millan: [00:02:47] No, every dog is friendly. The thing is, you have to understand that some dogs are born to be in the back of the pack and those dogs are very sensitive. And so those are what people call fear aggressive. And that's because they have to defend themselves from this approach of touch, talk, eye contact. You know, every single dog in the world, regardless of what position he was born to be, the way he gets to know another dog, is nose, eyes, ears. You see, when the dogs are born, they are born with the nose open. Fifteen days later, they open the eyes. 21 days later, they open the ears -- nose, eyes, ears. This is scientifically proven and every breeder in the world can tell you that that is the order. So the mother is scent before sight, before sound, but the humans, we are ears, eyes, nose. We talk to each other, we see each other. Unless we develop an intimate relationship, we don't smell each other.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:40] Yeah. That's pretty rare. I can probably count of one or two hands maybe the number of people I’ve voluntarily smelled. Yeah.

Cesar Millan: [00:03:49] Right. But that's not your inclination. Your inclination is to get to know that other human based on what they say and how they look like.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:56] That's why it's so easy for us to lie to each other, right? Because we listen for the words first.

Cesar Millan: [00:04:01] We're not in tune to the feeling of the energy that that human is saying. And animals are the opposite. So an animal is very honest. If they don't like your energy, they are just going to fight-flight avoid you.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:12] Yeah. I want to talk about that a little bit later as well. I'm curious, how many dogs are on the property here?

Cesar Millan: [00:04:17] Right now we only have 11 -- 11 dogs. Once we start bringing, you know, like, you know, start shooting the show or helping people, it increases the amount because we also have farm animals. So, our dogs, they live with me and they live here at the ranch. They interact, not just with dogs but with emus, with the horse and donkey, you know. I grew up on a farm. And a farm has the ideal social environment that everybody looks to achieve in a dog park. A dog park is the less ideal social environment for dogs because humans don't talk to each other.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:57] Oh yeah. They're on their phones and Instagramming.

Cesar Millan: [00:04:59] Sitting. They’re not interacting. So if a dog, you know, a lot of people say, “My dog is my child.” Well, you can tell that when a human goes into a dog park that that dog is not a child because nobody leaves a child unattended. You see how a human switches?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:15] Yeah. It's their child when they want to pay attention to it.

Cesar Millan: [00:05:17] You see what I mean? It’s just the human, I mean, in a very weird way, switches from -- is it a dog or is it a child? If it is a child, it's not a problem. They still have to learn differently. So for those people who have kids with mental disabilities, they have to shift the way the kid learned and experienced the world. Well, a dog learns and experiences the world completely different. So you can still call her a child, but you have to treat him as the way he's capable to learn about the world and know about the world.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:49] I know at one point you had 65 dogs and you are charging like 10 bucks a day because you are an illegal immigrant at that time.

Cesar Millan: [00:05:58] I was an illegal immigrant.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:00] But you're an awesome tax payer now, I bet.

Cesar Millan: [00:06:02] I do, man. That’s why I ended up buying a property, you know. I find that about once you start making enough money and you enter into a different bracket of taxes…

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:12] Yeah, from zero to a lot.

Cesar Millan: [00:06:14] From zero to -- yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:17] I won't ask for the details on that.

Cesar Millan: [00:06:19] Yeah. America’s great. You know, this is the land of quality opportunities. And, immigrants will tell you best. You know, there is no need for a person to have no job because if immigrants can get a job, an American citizen should be piece of cake from.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:34] You, in many ways, the epitome of the American dream. I'll get the backstory here in a bit, but essentially this is a meteoric rise, you know. To what, 20? 30, 40 years to an overnight success, I guess at this point?

Cesar Millan: [00:06:48] Well, I mean, let’s not call it overnight success.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:51] 40 years to overcome.

Cesar Millan: [00:06:52] Yeah. Yes. I mean, it's definitely something that you work at it every single day and the beauty of life, you're going to have those downs. You know, you're going to meet those dishonest people, those people without integrity, those disloyal humans, because I come from a different, you know, a way of living in a more animal-like, you know -- honesty, integrity, loyalty, and then you meet those humans, but it's part of life. You know what I mean? It’s part of life. So yes, it's definitely is a rocket thing. But then you meet those obstacles. Absolutely.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:07:23] When you were growing up, the area where you're from in Mexico now is even more famous than I guess it was because of Netflix’s Narcos.

Cesar Millan: [00:07:31] We were famous before. But you know, thanks to Netflix, we are like, “I’m again famous.”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:07:37] Yeah, exactly.

Cesar Millan: [00:07:38] And Pablo Escobar status kind of be…

Jordan Harbinger: [00:07:40] I know you’re from Sinaloa area.

Cesar Millan: [00:07:43] Not only from Sinaloa, I'm from Culiacan Centro. That is the Mecca. That's what I'm saying, Medillin. Medillin was the Mecca of the drug cartels and you know, and that's where Pablo Escobar is from. We have so many, and the most famous right now is El Chapo. But we have so many, I mean, I don't know how, but most of them came from there.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:04] When you were a kid, was that your example growing up?

Cesar Millan: [00:08:07] Yes. That soccer player? Luis Miguel, a singer. Who else?  Telenovela guys, soap opera guys, Cantinflas. But those guys were definitely the main source of what kids should become one day. Because that's all it is. It's all it is, that’s all is around there. They help a lot of people. If you ask him who helps you more, the drug dealers or the government? They will say the drug dealers, you know what I mean? They pay for medical, schools, clothes, all the basic stuff, you know what I mean? Poverty is not that you have no money. Poverty is you have no medical help, no education, no roof over your head. You know, the food sometimes is just coffee so they can numb. Here we drink coffee just for fashion. Over there, they drink coffee because there is no food.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:07] So it puts the hunger down.

Cesar Millan: [00:09:09] That's right. Here, people use it so they can lose weight.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:12] Yeah. It's not working for us.

Cesar Millan: [00:09:15] So we don't get hungry.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:21] And so when you were a little, were you thinking I'm going to be a narco?

Cesar Millan: [00:09:24] Yes, I did. I was 10 years old and I came to my mom, I said, “Mom,” you know, obviously in our tradition, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people have a lot of empathy and compassion for moms because they ended up taking care of the pack. You know, and so I saw my mom taking care of us, you know, breakfast, and school, taking us, walking us to school and then come back home and then start sewing, you know.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:52] Like sewing clothes?

Cesar Millan: [00:09:53] Clothes. So people, you know, because over there you don't throw anything. You mend things. And so she was doing [indiscernible], so I would stay right next to her like a puppy because she will go to sleep at three in the morning. Yeah. So that to me was, “This is too much.” And you see a lot of people doing the same thing, but something they did in my heart, so obviously I start thinking how I'm going to get my mom to a safer place and for her not to kill herself working. My dad worked but you know, it’s just they don't get paid over there by an hour. And so they get paid by every two weeks or every month and they're very, very minimal. And so from that point on, I started looking at where I'm going to make money and so those are the role models. I was working since I was six, but when I was 10 years old, I told my mom, “Mom, when I grow old, I'm going to be a drug dealer.” And she's shocked. She slapped me across the face. She says, “If you want to kill me, that's what you're doing.” I didn't know that was not the reason. I just want to make enough money. So she changed my mind, and one snap out of it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:06] Yeah, because my next question of course was, well, what stopped you from doing that? And the answer is, “My mom slapped me in the face.” So you find out pretty quick. Like, that's not something that I'm going to do.

Cesar Millan: [00:11:15] She was very offended and she was very hurt, you know, by this thought. You know, I had no idea about the ramifications of that. I just saw that these people had money. They had good clothes too. Well, I thought it was good clothes at that time and great cars and they will eat well, you know. They are always in good restaurants or at least, what I thought was good restaurants at that time.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:39] Yeah, sure. Yeah. Not anymore.

Cesar Millan: [00:11:43] Not anymore. That was no NuVo.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:44] Yeah. That is a favorite restaurant, NuVo?

Cesar Millan: [00:11:47] That's one of them, but that’s a good one.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:49] Yeah. So okay, you decide, “I'm not going to be a narco. I’m not going to be a drug dealer.” I assume at some point you go, “All right. Well, I'm good with dogs. I'm going to be a dog trainer.”

Cesar Millan: [00:12:00] I started watching Lassie and Rin Tin Tin, that was a rerun. Our first TV, I was eight years old, something like that. And our first fan, we were like 11 years old. Like you know, because normally you got to do this.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:14] Like a fan in the house.

Cesar Millan: [00:12:16] Like a fan in the house. There was a big celebration time. And there was a black and white TV. So, and then you change it like that, you know, and then you, then you move a little antenna thing. I mean, it was crazy. So I started watching Lassie and Rin Tin Tin , and that's when I started sewing the castle, that Disneyland castle thing, you know, and, then the Hollywood vive. You know, they’re stars, the stars.

[00:12:44] And when I was 13 years old, I told my mom, “Mom, you think, I could be the best dog trainer in the world?” And she turned around, she said, “You can be whatever you want.” She did agree with that. You know what I mean? She agreed with that. I was going to a Judo competition, which is something that they have to do to redirect my energy.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:59] A Judo competition?

Cesar Millan: [00:13:00] Yeah. You know, coming from a farm, you have so much space to run and to help and physically burn your energy.  The city is more mind than physical. So I'm coming from a place where I can run, I can burn, I can swim, I can go to a river, you know what I mean? Your energy has been used to the max. And then in the city, now I have to go to school.

[00:13:21] And so the way they were burning my physical energy is they send me to Judo. And then I started competing. I definitely want, but that's when I started saying, “Wow, I like that Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.” You know, I love animals obviously, I just didn't know that can be something besides a dog trainer.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:13:45] At which point did you say, “I'm going to the United States, you know, I'm going to make my way here. I got something bigger.”

Cesar Millan: [00:13:51] When I was 13 years old, I said I want to be the best dog trainer in the world. And that's what I said about Rin Tin Tin because the only place that I thought that I can become the best dog trainer in the world was the United States. Because I grew up watching also movies where the Americans were the heroes, you know? And so everything in America was the best in the world. So is that marketing brainwashes you -- Everything is here. You know, which on a lot of cases it is. I just didn't know I had anything to offer to the American people. You know, like my wisdom of knowledge. My wisdom of energy, my wisdom of connection with animals, I had no idea that I can train humans. I thought I was going to come, learn from the best. You know, I was looking for Lassie and Rin Tin Tin trainers in particular. And that's why I said I'm going to go to Disneyland or Hollywood. You know, that was my destination. You know, it was not Chicago, it was not sunny. It was not New York. It was not Texas. Nothing to me was -- Disneyland or Hollywood, which they're all like places where you don't go to learn anything.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:14:59] Yeah. I was like, wait a minute, why Disney?

Cesar Millan: [00:15:00] Because it was entertaining top in all the world. I didn't know. I thought you can go over there and learn and look for Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:15:05] Okay. Oh, like they will just be around?

Cesar Millan: [00:15:08] They will be around. Somebody with be around with that Lassie and Rin Tin Tin. That's the naïve-ness, which is absolutely fantastic for me because it just gave me no obstacle. You know what I mean? That naive in this way of thinking said, “I just got to go over there. That's it.” That’s it. It's like when people come here and say, “I've got to talk to Cesar. I'm from Germany.” Just because. And I’m like, “Cesar is here.” Like that, that focus and people found, you know. They say, “Well, I just woke up one day and said, I want to go see you.” Like that. So that kind of focus, the most important part is the focus of what you believe that makes you achieve what you want.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:15:48] Okay. So you decided to come to the States, but you can't just walk over here. Well, I guess you'd technically kind of did.

Cesar Millan: [00:15:53] Two weeks. It took me two weeks to come to America. Yeah, I saw people die and I saw people crying. I saw a pregnant woman getting hurt. I mean it's a life and death situation. The people risk is definitely life and death and you know, it's not like walk-in-the-park kind of thing. Like America is welcoming you with like, “Here's some water.” You know what I mean? Here’s some food. No, you get caught. You know, you get caught and one thing about American officers is they do feed you when you get caught.  Yeah. When you get caught, America feeds you. They give you a sandwich, nothing special.

[00:16:32] Nothing special. No Jersey Mike's, nothing like that. No Philly cheese, nothing like that. It’s just bologna sandwich, mayonnaise and pretty, but this, I mean tastes like heaven though, I'm sure. Yeah. And a Coca-Cola.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:16:48] Two weeks in the desert, that Coke and bologna.

Cesar Millan: [00:16:52] Yeah, definitely. You're in the border. So I wasn't that Tijuana border, which is the most common. So people that are from where I'm from, they take that path. You know, for some reason everybody takes that path and you know, it's like cheap. If you’re from the center of Mexico, they go through Matamoros, you know? Yeah. So like the Dominicans, they always moved to New York, you know what I mean? Like all the Latinos, like, “Okay, where are the Colombians? There on that side! There is not a lot of Colombians on this side.”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:17:24] Yeah, I never thought about that. I could see that.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:21:28] At one point, did you think, “I'm going to end up going to the desert. They're going to leave me on a…” I mean we hear things like, “Go to Mexico, you're going to end up meeting somebody. You wake up in a bathtub full of ice and your liver is gone.” Were you afraid people were going to take advantage of you when you were coming here?

Cesar Millan: [00:21:43] Yeah. You think about that because we're not thinking about like Americans doing that to us. We think in our own people doing it for us. You know what I mean, because you are definitely a human trafficking type of thing. Yeah, and you can end up being a mule. You know what I mean? So, I'm by myself. I'm 21 years old, I just have my faith, my passion and my instincts. It's not smart at all. No, I'm not using my intellect to do that action. I'm just using my instincts, my passion and my faith. So you pray a lot. You pray a lot definitely. You know, I was trying, my dad gave me $100, which I had it on my shoe, between my shoe and my socks and that's all I had, $100. That was his life savings.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:22:30] His life savings was a hundred bucks and he just gave it to you?

Cesar Millan: [00:22:33] He gave it to me because he saw my resilience. You know, he saw my focus. He saw that I said that it was not turnaround. He just knew I was going to leave. He didn't know I was going to make it. He just knew I say I'm leaving because I was 21 so they couldn't do anything about it, you know? Yeah. So I left on December 23rd, which is, you know, right before Christmas. You know, there we’re Catholic so it was a lot of like religion type of thing, “No, it's Christmas. This and that.” So I spent two weeks on the border, so I spent Christmas and New Year at the border trying to jump it. Same clothes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:23:21] Yeah. Same clothes. No shower? You can't shower. Probably not much to eat, I would imagine.

Cesar Millan: [00:23:25] The adrenaline is a lot of food, my friend. The adrenaline, the faith and the passion, that's how people in third world countries can actually make it. You know what I mean? It's just the adrenaline to live, the happiness of the next day, the faith. There are more believers in third world countries that actually in the country who have so much money. Here's a debate about what religion is better, or if even religion exists. Over there we believe it does exist because we know, there's someone up there is looking for us. You know what I mean? So that will leave and engage as in a relationship that at least someone who we can’t see, see us, you know.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:02 ] I feel like you would need that. Especially if you're going to come to LA, I say no plan, but I guess your plan was to go to Disneyland. But by now you probably think, “Okay, I had no real plan.”

Cesar Millan: [00:24:14] No, I have no real plan. I have no real destination. I didn't know anyone. I didn't speak English. I didn't know the challenges that America would have for someone like me.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:26 ] How did you get the first job then when you were around.

Cesar Millan: [00:24:29] Oh, job was a piece of cake.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:30] Job was easy? Easiest part of the trip?

Cesar Millan: [00:24:33] Yes. I mean people love hungry people, you know, like hunger in a way where, “He's a good one,” You know what I mean?, “That guy has what it takes. Yeah.” You know what I mean? It's like picking up a soccer player. Everybody could hit the ball, but some guys have more hunger than the other and that’s the guy you pick because that energy you can make it. And so you know, you don't get paid a lot. But, that energy of being happy about sweeping for five bucks, cleaning car for five bucks, because you know, and then I learned, you know, in ampm and 7-Eleven, you got two hotdogs for 99 cents. So I have to make $1 a day, people. That's it, to eat! You grabbed those hot dogs, put some tomato and onions and ketchup and all of that stuff, and eat it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:19 ] How long did you eat two hotdogs?  Two months? So that's a lot of hot dogs. That's 120 hot dogs.

Cesar Millan: [00:25:27] That was fine with me. Yeah. Because I don't have to worry about making a lot of money, you know, and then I find out about the Big Gulp experience.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:37] What’s the Big Gulp experience?

Cesar Millan: [00:25:38] Well you buy it once and you refill forever. Welcome to America. We don't get that. We don't have that in a Latino country. We don't because what happens is we go refill it and we'll sell it outside.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:52] You sell the Big Gulp refill, like you buy it and pouring into other…

Cesar Millan: [00:25:56] That's right. Refill it in, sell it outside.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:02] So if you buy a soda from somebody on the side of the road, it's probably a refilled Big Gulp.

Cesar Millan: [00:26:07] You know in Mexico you’re going to see a lot of people selling you soda in a little bag with a straw.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:13] Yeah. I've seen that. Always that with... That’s what that is? Oh, that’s funny. I never thought about that.

Cesar Millan: [00:26:19] Yeah, oh my goodness. Yes. If you talk about recycle, we were doing recycle way before America came on board. You know what I mean? Because we recycle everything -- Everything. You know, organic? Way before Whole Foods was open. We were doing organic so we just call ourselves poor.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:37 ] Everything comes full circle.

Cesar Millan: [00:26:37] Vegetarian? Vegan? That's poor.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:40 ] Yeah. Can't afford me, vegetarian.

Cesar Millan: [00:26:44] Exactly. So here, it’s like, “I'm vegan”, “I’m vegetarian. I have money.” You know what I mean? That means you buy whole foods. But to us, that was just your economy level was that. So that's what we're very healthy. You know what I mean? Yeah. We eat very healthy. Yeah. And so we grow our own thing.  We can’t buy it. We have no money. So we've got to grow our own thing right there that's organic. And you can't afford to eat, to kill chickens every day because you need the egg more than the chicken, right? Yeah. And the pig or the cow or the goat, that's for weddings. Big events, big, big, big events, and that's around the world. If you go to Africa, that's around the world.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:25 ] Yeah, I've seen that. I've heard of that.

Cesar Millan: [00:27:27] You know what I mean? That's like a big event. Like somebody is getting married. Okay, now we're going to do this.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:33 ] Okay. And so at this point then, you’re refilling the Big Gulp, you're surviving on two hotdogs a day, but you get this reputation as the guy who can walk like 30 dogs.

Cesar Millan: [00:27:44] So that it was in San Diego. Okay. So then in San Diego I got a job in a grooming salon with these two awesome wild ladies. And I learned my first sentence too -- You have application for work? That's all I learned. That was it. After that, I have no idea what to say.  And so the ladies, you know, I came in and they have application for work and they start telling me and asking me stuff that I couldn't answer, but they had a Cocker Spaniel in the back. And they show me a picture of this Cocker Spaniel, and how they wanted it to be groomed, but the dog was biting them.

[00:28:22] And so I went in there and grabbed the dog, hold the dog, touch the dog and start grooming the dog. And of course their job went down and how do I do it? You know what I mean? How this guy, that is dirty, can touch the dog and groom the dog without the dog feeling aggressive about it. And the dog actually, you know, start moving the tail. Trust me. You know, it’s the energy and approach that was different. And so from that point on, I went from two dogs to finding, you know, $5 a day, whatever you get with sweeping and watching cars. They charge $120 for that dog groom which any groomer will get 50% of profit. So that day, I made $60.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:29:10] That’s a lot of hotdogs.

Cesar Millan: [00:29:12] That's exactly what I said. It is exactly what I said. So I ended up grabbing $50 and turn it back because I thought it was just a one-time job, a one-time experience with them. And she said, “No, no, no.” In my head, I don't need that many hotdogs. You know what I mean? And so I give them $50 back. I keep 10. So I thought that was what I was worth. And the other ladies gave me the $60 and they asked me to come back the next day. Yeah. So me being a Virgo, I saw their place and I start cleaning that place like it was mine. We like things very, very clean. And so they were very appreciative because they were older ladies. So I started moving things, cleaning that. The place was just perfect. And so they loved that part.

[00:29:58] And I started watching dogs. I started watching, preparing them for them so they can groom them, you know what I mean? Like the way they blow dried them. And then so I was like a machine, young guy with two old ladies. I was like, “I'm from heaven.” You know. So I made $1,000 in a month there.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:14] And then shipped off to LA?

Cesar Millan: [00:30:16] And then that's when I went to, I don't know if you ever heard about Miller Outpost.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:20] No, what is that?

Cesar Millan: [00:30:21] It was a store. It's like Target. So I went and buy my 501.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:33] Oh, jeans. Yeah, big time.

Cesar Millan: [00:30:35] I had no gloves. I was wearing the same clothes. I took a shower in the bathtub, in one of those bathtubs.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:40] The dog bathtub? Like in the grooming? So you're in there like kind of posing yourself down?

Cesar Millan: [00:30:44] I mean when you grew up in a farm, you put a bucket, that thing so, you MacGyver it. Yeah. So I went to buy my first with $1,000, my first jeans. It was the worst thing I did because they were hard. I never knew you have to wash them first, you know what I mean? And so that was the worst thing. But I got my first 501.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:10] Nice. So you’re looking stylish.

Cesar Millan: [00:31:12] Looking better. Not stylish.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:14] That’s right. Not stylish, just not homeless.

Cesar Millan: [00:31:16] That’s right, well, yeah. Not too homeless. Yeah. And so I went to the Greyhound and then I bought a ticket. But you have to learn when can you cross San Clemente Immigration point.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:26] Oh, those checkpoints? Yeah. I barely think about that because I don't get stopped at those.

Cesar Millan: [00:31:31] Me neither now.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:32] Now you don’t, because you're driving a nice car.

Cesar Millan: [00:31:37] A nice car. Yes. And they know who I am. So that was good. Everybody has a dog, all the immigration. The show helped me a lot. So, then you know, you find out when they're not checking so you can take the bus because they will stop the bus immediately. Yeah. So you can cross in a car, that's not a problem. But it’s the buses they stop mandatory. So, you know, you learn the streets and then one time, this guy say it’s easier. They're not stopping anybody right now. So I went and dropped the keys to the ladies.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:07] Oh, you left like that. You didn't plan. It was like, let's go.

Cesar Millan: [00:32:11] Yeah. You’re on the street, you don't plan. There's no planning in the streets. Homeless people don't plan their day. They just live the day. You know what I mean?  It's a freedom behind, which is awesome. You know, here I have to plan, I had to talk to everybody, make sure I'm going to Singapore in February 10, and so I have to plan, you know, in advance. How I want the animals to do, you know, to work or to be, all of that stuff. Have a house and all that stuff.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:39] You still didn't speak English though, right?

Cesar Millan: [00:32:41] No.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:41] So how did you end up learning English? How do we get from, “All right, I'm showing up in LA” to dog trainer? Because the rep was, you were kind of this underground guy for a while that could walk all these dogs in LA, with no leash and the gang bangers are hanging out. Like, “There goes the crazy guy with all the dogs. Don't mess with the guy with the dogs.”

Cesar Millan: [00:33:02] It's crazy. Yeah, it's definitely crazy. You know, who has that many dogs off leash -- Rottweilers, pit bulls, German Shepherds. To me, you know, is if you see that painting right there, that's normal, you know, in Mexico nobody has leashes on a dog. Dogs go to the market, to churches, to the beach. And there were countries that the leash law is not even a thing. You know what I mean? So the Land of the Free has more leash law than the land that we call “not free”. So for the animals, Mexico is way better, you know what I mean?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:34] Yeah. They can run around.

Cesar Millan: [00:33:35] Yeah. They can fly, they can swim, they can run, they can do their thing. Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:39 ] So you learn English because of just by being around it, or you trying to figure out how to get a better job, at this point?

Cesar Millan: [00:33:44] Back in that time? Well, yeah, of course. My customers were NBA players, NFL players, Nicolas Cage, Vin Diesel.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:59] How did they hear about you?

Cesar Millan: [00:34:00] That Mexican guy in the street.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:02] Oh, really? So that really sort of went viral?

Cesar Millan: [00:34:04] Yeah. I never had like business cards. So it was like, there's a Mexican guy. So back then in the forum, it was where the Lakers used to play, you know? And so I was from Inglewood to South Central walking a pack of dogs. I will start walking pack of dogs of people, their dogs were frustrated, you know. So we'll go around. I was just boring, and I asked people, “Hey, do you want me to walk your dog?” And many ladies will say, “No.” Most of the times the ladies were at their house and the man went to work, say “No, no, no.”

[00:34:36] And some ladies would say yes. And so that, in the hood, most of the dogs that are outside are Rottweiler. Nobody has a Labrador taking care of their home. You don't see Labradors in the hood. You see Rottweilers, pit bulls, German Shepherds. So Inglewood and South central is the hood. And so I started to meet their dogs. You know, they were just Rottweiler but to me, I’m seeing a dog. So I started walking, walking, and people start paying attention to that, you know. I don't know if you remember, but it was a radio show. It was called Rick Dees in the Mornings. Yeah. I love Rick because I love his English. It wasn't like if you will listen to 105.9, you know, like it was a lot more gangster.

[00:35:26] And so I didn't want to speak with slang and anything like that. I just want to speak clear. So I start listening to Rick. I had a boss, Jay Rio, he gave me a chance watching limos and he gave me the opportunity to have an Astro van. And so he only speaks English to me, you know, he was a Caucasian guy. And then later on, I met Jada Pinkett-Smith and she had four Rottweilers and that's when I told her, “Listen, I would like to do a little bit more than what I'm doing right now. I would like to have a radio show. I would like to be part of a TV show.” You have to aim high eventhough it sounds crazy. I'm already in America.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:36:08] Because you're washing limos and you're like, “Yeah, I want to be on TV.” People must've been like, “Okay, buddy, whatever.”

Cesar Millan: [00:36:16] Most of them. Especially the people close to you, you know, they will totally doubt you faster than the people who is outside of your intimate space. And that's something that people have to be careful about because that hurts. You know, if you believe what they believe, you're done.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:40:45] Because you're Cesar, the limo washer, at this point, you're not Cesar Millan, the world famous…

Cesar Millan: [00:40:48] Yeah. And I’m an immigrant. And I don’t speak English.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:40:50] They're like, “Oh, yay. Hermano. Knowing glaze.” And they’re  like, “Geez, I’m not going to figure this out.”

Cesar Millan: [00:40:58] So those obstacles, those are obstacles, you know, but again, as you believe as your faith, as your passion and this is the opportunity that you're looking at, you know, I'm looking at, “I need to teach people what you see now”. You know, I teach people the energy and the psychology and then how to train dogs. But to me, it was like such a big opportunity. I just have to speak English. I say I have to have papers. I just have to speak the language of this people who are so in a need of being trained. That's when I started saying, “I don't train dogs. I train people and rehabilitate dogs.”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:41:40] That's interesting. Yeah. Because I've heard and we’re here at the dog psychology center doing this like in your, can we say like dream business? Dream home? Not really. It's kind of both here where we are, right? Like I would imagine you’re washing limos, you're not thinking one day I'm going to have this giant farm full of animals and dogs. No?

Cesar Millan: [00:41:59] No. I didn't think that way until I went to Runyon Canyon when I started walking at Runyon Canyon, that's when I said, “I need a piece of land like this.” And at one point I start asking, “Is Runyon Canyon for sale?” It's like impossible, right? You know, impossible to buy the piece of land. Okay, well I'm just going to make my own Runyon Canyon. So Runyon Canyon inspired me to have my own piece of land. That is a perfect place for dog walking. Yes, Runyon Canyon. Yeah. Oh, this is the best. But Runyon Canyon at that time became the place where you can practice walking and socializing and rehabilitating at the same time. You know, because people love to take the dog to a dog park, but Runyon Canyon, you get everything. You get the walk, you get the social. If you need to work on anything, you know, with your dog, you get to do that as you walk, you know? So that to me was like, “Okay, one day I'm going to have my own Runyon Canyon.”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:42:54] You mentioned that you train people, you rehabilitate dogs. So I know you're learning a lot from dogs, because I read the book, The Lessons from the Pack, but if 60% of training the dogs is training the people, you're kind of more human trainer than dog trainer.

Cesar Millan: [00:43:09] Yeah. I am a human trainer. It's just been in the history that people believe that you have to train a dog. That's why America opened a business for dog training, you know, and there are thousands of thousands and thousands and thousands of places where you can send your dog to be trained. But the most important member of the family who should be trained is the parent of that dog. You know what I mean? You're not only entering to parenting, you’re also entering to a child that learns completely different than what you're used to. You know what I mean? And so he's a different specie, he has different state. It’s the same stations in their life, but shorter. For example, puppyhood is from birth to eight months. Females become in heat at eight months.

[00:44:03] She's not a puppy anymore. So people keep calling puppy, dogs who are three years old because the dog, it has this playful disposition, you know what I mean? And that's because the dog is stuck into this playful state of mind. So he's not moving on.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:44:18] Because humans aren't letting?

Cesar Millan: [00:44:19] Because humans, “Hug baby, hug baby”.  So the dog, it’s almost like playing that song over and over and over and over and over. So the dog becomes brainwashed to in that frame of mind. So when you want him to behave more mature, he can.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:41:40] Because you're training him to not do that. It would be like if you babied your kid until he’s 30 years old, you're shaving him and you're, “Oh, you're so pretty.”

Cesar Millan: [00:44:44] The classic mama's boys. There are men who their mom has kept them in that state of useless. And the guy wants the date of woman because was four years old, but he can't because he hasn't grown up. You know what I'm saying? So that’s similar to that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:45:04] Interesting. That's funny. Yeah. Oh wow. So behavior change in dogs and behavior change in humans, it seems like there's a lot of similarities. I've seen things on the show where, this is a long time ago, there was a dog that had the tail between his legs or something, and he had some behavior that was negative because of that. And I want to see you tied the tail over the dog's head to kind of force it. You basically forced him to act more confident as a dog.

Cesar Millan: [00:45:33] If you change your body position, something happens inside of you. That's what they sell things so your body position change. The posture changes, right? And so that's what they tell you. If you can do it internally, do it externally, you know? So if you are an Anthony Robins follower, he's going to tell you that your physiology can influence your psychology. So in a case like that, I needed to change the physiology to change the psychology. So most people would put a leash on the neck or on the muscle, you know, the Haltis or the harness. But that's not going to change this, you know? And so when a dog feels good about himself, his tail looks high. That's why in Westminster situation, they always grab the head and the tail, right? They always do that.

[00:46:25] So the dog presents himself as his most proud moment in his life. All right, so I know that their head has been touched many, many times. His humans have been pet, you know, the heads so he has kept the head lower. But one area they have never touched is the tail. Nobody does. You know, because I've always think outside the box because that's part of being innovative and creative. And so I put a leash on the tail and the dog goes, “Zooom!” instead of running. And the dog is like, “Yeah! This is the best day of my life.” On top of the running, fear is something that they have to run it out. So it was very important that I put a roller blade so this dog can run as fastest and as longest she wanted to, it was a girl. She wanted to run that day because I want to be attached to her, let's get rid of this fear and in the meantime, feel good at it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:47:16] When you were raising your kids, are you thinking, “All right, I got to do some similar stuff.”

Cesar Millan: [00:47:22] Yeah. Same stuff, same, same, same. Especially when you're raising boys and you know, me being a male, we're body, mind, heart. You know what I mean? My boys are outdoor type of guys and the mind has to be busy and you have to reward for the good things, you know? So exercise, discipline and affection, right? Yeah. They have to work for their things, you know? And they have to be rules, boundaries, limitations, you know, definitely I have to lead by example. I want them to make sure they know that the only four energies they need in life is calmness, confidence, love, and joy. They don't need insecurity. They don't need anxiety. They don't need lack of love. If a human doesn't love them, just find love with an animal. Don't worry about it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:48:07] Really? So there's some track cat lady thing, huh?

Cesar Millan: [00:48:11] Of course. You have to exercise love just like you have to exercise your body. Just like you have to exercise your mind. Just like that you have to exercise joy, you know? So animals only believe in four: Energies, calmness, confidence, love and joy. That's it. They don't believe in misery.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:48:26] I could see that. Unless we teach them that, of course, as humans, right?

Cesar Millan: [00:48:29] We are the only one that teaches animals that negativity exists because animals will go through it, but they won't live in it. No, they live in a moment.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:48:40] They don't sit around thinking, “Man, last year I had a rough year.”

Cesar Millan: [00:48:42] “Oh my god, that lion almost killed us all!” “Oh my God, let's just don't go back over.” See? We create stories and those stories allow us to live in the past, but anticipate the future. So then we forget about the moment. We forget about the present but the people who actually are very present are the people who are about to die, like cancer survivors are really good about that. They let go of the past, they let go of the future --- like that. The hell, they can't afford it!

Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:07] Yeah, can’t afford it. Exactly. Yeah.

Cesar Millan: [00:49:10] So why be a human who experienced that to live that way? You see it? So that means those humans went into an instinctual, passionate, spiritual way of being. They start being more mental. You know what I mean? They can’t think about the past or the future. They have to instinctually survive passionate love life and believe that they can pull it through.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:32] You had a lot of high visibility. The TV show has taken off. This business obviously is doing super well. It's got all kinds of things going on from Asia and training people here. Did the animals keep you grounded? Because at the end of the day, the dogs aren't like, “Oh, Cesar's so famous. He's so successful.” They don't care. They'll still bite your leg.

Cesar Millan: [00:49:49] Money, fame and power does not exist in the animal world. And that's why a lot of money, fame and power, people love them because they keep them grounded, you know? So when we have famous people here, what they love the most is, you know, your dog doesn't know you are such and such. You know what I mean? I love that about him. He tells me like it is, you know what I mean? But humans are not allowed to be that way.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:11] Yeah. We can't really get rid of that.

Cesar Millan: [00:50:15] No. I mean, people in power, like famous people are easier to work. People in power that means like the billionaires, like politicians, those people are harder to ground them.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:29] Why do you think that is?

Cesar Millan: [00:50:31] Because they're so used to being told what to do. You know, at least the famous people do yoga and meditation. The famous, they’re powerful people, they don't do that, right? They just buy stuff.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:41] So they're just telling everybody else what to do.

Cesar Millan: [00:50:45] Yeah. So then I have to go and tell them what to do. And they said, “No, I pay you to change my dog and teach everybody here.”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:44] Right. And you're like, “All right.”

Cesar Millan: [00:50:45] All right, stop but doesn’t work like that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:58] Yeah. Here's a plastic bag to pick up the poop. You got to do it. Yeah.

Cesar Millan: [00:51:02] Well, we can do that. But the part of them changing, the part of them like being there for the pack. You know, they're so used to the pack being there for them. You get it? So it's like, it has to be a combination of a good pack leader is therefore his pack and a good pack is therefore the pack leader, but is mutual, you know? So one thing that I have learned as dad and as a partner with my fiance is, sometimes I lead, sometimes I follow. So you're not always in a leadership position because sometimes you're wrong. So if you're wrong, you shouldn't be leading. You see what I'm saying?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:38] I could see why that's hard for some people though. I can see that and that would be hard for me to.

Cesar Millan: [00:51:44] Yeah. Because and then you enter into right and wrong, instead of letting the flow and be the right, who is right. This is about what's best for everybody else. You know, we are the only species that follow unstable pack leaders. We are the only species in the planet that will follow unstable pack leader. Animals do not follow instability.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:04] Why do you think we do that?

Cesar Millan: [00:52:05] Oh, because we focus on money, fame and power. So the person says that we're going to be more famous, more powerful, and we have more money – we follow him or her. You see, so our focus has changed from harmony and balance to money, fame, and power. So nobody comes to America for a spiritual retreat. People come to America for money, fame, and power. But Americans go to Peru for a spiritual retreat, in Iowaska. You see it? They go into the wilderness, and they go into the jungle of Brazil. They go and talk to the shaman guy. Those guys don't know how to read or write, you know what I'm saying? So it’s not like you’re asking, you know, no they don’t. That's not their thing. They’re medicine men. You know, just like native Americans here were medicine men. So that's what people do here, that's what we follow. And because America is the pack leader of the world for many things, you know, fashion, music, television shows. Every actor wants to be a Hollywood actor, not just an actor in their country. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, America is a big role model. So because America does that, and then we ended up following unstable leaders everywhere.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:29] I see. So since we're focused on some of the wrong values, we follow the wrong people. But animals don't have that. And it makes sense. I know that you talk about humans wearing masks, and the animals wearing masks in a different way, right? Like a bird will pretend to be injured to get a predator away from its nest. But humans wear masks and then we leave that thing on for 30 years.

Cesar Millan: [00:53:51] Yeah, we forget we got it. Yeah. We get comfortable with this stuff. But your soul, your spirit will always remind you there is something wrong. Your instincts will always.  You know, like people call it sixth sense or people call it intuition. That is real, but  why did we become disconnected to it? Because we don't exercise it. You see? So you're questioning yourself and believing what others say of what right. You know what I mean? So now, you're not leading yourself with what you believe, you are leading yourself with what others believe. And that obviously doesn't help you personally. Your soul becomes sad. Your heart becomes sad. Your intuition becomes sad because you're now listening to you. So you forget about you. And you might say, “No, no, no. We’re listening to us.”

[00:54:45] Yeah, but it's only your mind making a decision. It's not the four of us who are in agreement with this decision. You see, so animals, every decision they make is made as a family. Nothing is moved like the Congressman and the all the senators. And you know, everybody's making the decision. So there is no agreement. Agreement is the most important work to do anything, good or bad. But animals are all about good. You see it? The elephants were the specie that told humans for a long time, the females can lead the pack. Until now we say, females can be presidents of the world, but animals have been doing that for a long time. So if the male is unstable, females get rid of them. That's why the females lead the herd.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:55:36] In elephants? Yeah. I did not know that.

Cesar Millan: [00:55:39] For hundreds of years because the male, when he enters into musk he gets too aggressive, too disrespectful. So to the point that he can kill the little ones, you know what I mean? So he causes instability. So then all the females gather together and say, “Let's push him because he's unstable, not because we don't love him.” You see? They will not follow instability. So the guy has to calm himself down before he comes and enter or romanticize one of them.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:56:08] That's really interesting. I did not realize that. And I know there's a lot of talk among, and I saw this in your book as well, that animals can't be inauthentic really. It's not in the programming.

Cesar Millan: [00:56:20] You can be inauthentic when you think about it, you know? But when you react about it, you can.  Like babies are not inauthentic. They don't know how. So when you are in a baby stage, you are instincts, love and spirituality. You have no idea what you're going to talk about. If it's Chinese, if it's English, if it's Spanish, you have no idea about culture. You have no idea about food yet. You know that you have to eat, but you know that you're going to eat sushi or you're going to eat ribs, or you're going to eat tacos. You know what I mean? So, by what you seek as a baby is calmness, confidence, love and joy.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:56:53] Right. To earlier point, there's no anticipation. I would imagine Chinese babies aren't like, “Aw man, I got to learn Mandarin. It's going to be so hard.”

Cesar Millan: [00:57:03] [indiscernible] You know, exactly. So at that time, you are in your animal form. You are in your spirit form. You are in your heart form. Society wants you to be smart because if you're smart, you make money.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:57:18] Right. So all of these, where we go off the path is all because of these value discrepancy, right? Yeah.

Cesar Millan: [00:57:23] Correct. So if we do like a combination of both, which is what I told my boys, listen, we're going to be earth people and we're going to meet money people. Of course I didn't jump the border for nothing. You know what I mean? Absolutely! But we're going to do it together, you know, and we have values to respect. We have a purpose to achieve in the meaning of life. That's it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:57:43] I've heard that dogs, and I'm sure that you agree with this, can read body language, nonverbal communication better than we can as humans. But you know how people go like, “Oh my dog. I trust the guys that my…” what am I trying to say? Like women will say, “Oh, I date the guys that my dog likes. If my dog doesn't like him, we don't date him.” Is a dog reading the other person, or are they reading our own?

Cesar Millan: [00:58:07] Both. Yeah. Because this is how the internet works, you know what I mean? Like a satellite. It bounces from it. So what is the response right away between those two? Right? So the guy’s smell, the dog smells, he sees and feels. He's not hearing – smells, sees, feels. And then at the same time, he's already connected to his human. So if his human gets a little nervous or a little excited, it's all related to that person, you know what I mean?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:58:35] Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. So they're reading us as we read the other person and they're also reading. So it's a combination of all the factors and as you can hear it, “We don't just have dogs here.”

Cesar Millan: [00:58:46] He's a neutralizer of bullshit, right? Right away. He's like, “Okay, do we trust this human or no?” That's the first thing. If you build relationships on trust and then respect, then love is a piece of cake.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:59:00] What are you thinking when people come in, and I'm sure you've heard this because I've heard this, people go, “Oh, my dog doesn't like other races. My dog doesn't like African-Americans. My dog doesn’t like this.” Right? Then, “Oh yeah, my dog doesn't like Mexicans. Sorry.” And then I'm thinking, “Does your dog not like Mexicans or do you not like Mexicans?”

Cesar Millan: [00:59:20] Or, do you have an issue with them? Yeah, absolutely. Racism is something that you teach, you know, consciously, unconsciously. Kids are not racist or animals are not racist. They’re honest about not liking an energy, but they have no clue is because the color of or the size of the person. Do you understand? Or if the person is a handicap, that's what it's called unconditional love. You know? So no matter how you look outside, what they care is about how you feel inside. That's the beauty, you know? So only humans teach about the outside, only humans teach that. Racism only exists in the human world only.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:08] So what do you think when people bring your dogs and they go, “Yeah, the problem is my dog doesn't like men. And you know, I want to be dating.” Are you thinking you should probably go take care of your own issues about men or your own issues about?

Cesar Millan: [01:00:20] No doubt about it. Yeah. Because you know that's the part where I put my head of honesty. And I do want to help you, but I'm going to ask you some questions that have to do with you answer in a very honest way. You know, how do you feel about men right now? You know, that's as simple as that.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:37] My wife's cousin, I'm throwing her under the bus because she got a rescue dog. So there's probably some residual trauma there or something.

Cesar Millan: [01:00:42] Yeah, no doubt about it.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:44] She's like, “Oh, the dog hates men. The dog hates men.” And it's like, “Okay, but how come the dog has never gotten better?” That maybe she had a really traumatic experience with guys? I don't know. But maybe there's something else going on.

Cesar Millan: [01:00:58] Listen. Trust has level. You can trust people at a low level, medium level, high level. So that has to do with, it's very simple to answer the truth, you know what I mean?  Do you trust men? At what level? Do you respect man? At what level? Do you love men? At what level? And that just gives you an insight about, “Shit, you're right! I got to work on that. No wonder my dog is the one who's the only one who's honest.” And the dog is like, “Hey, we don't trust men, you told me that every night, every time we go to sleep.”

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:25] Right. Every time guys come over…

Cesar Millan: [01:01:27] It’s like she feels it. Watching TV, the person can, can have an emotion and the dog picks it up. That person doesn't have to verbally say, “You know what, I'm having trouble with men right now? And I just don't know how to get it out.” You know what I mean? They're not going to do that, but they're still going to experience this like when guys watch NBA or NFL and their team is losing, they go crazy and the dog walks away.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:53] Yeah. Because the dog doesn't care about…

Cesar Millan: [01:01:55] The dog doesn’t stay there. No dog stays when the man is going crazy. There's no way in the world. He doesn't enjoy watching you going crazy and talking by yourself and screaming and stuff like that. Nobody watches. I mean, it has to be another guy that is going crazy with you. But it's not a dog that is going to go crazy with you.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:02:10] That's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. I know that in your past you had some traumatic stuff happen with the business. That original show is owned by some production company and then relationship issues at the same time.  And you kind of had a spiral, and it led to some recovery in a new maximum, which is ownership, control, leadership. How have you implemented that? First of all, how did you come to that?

Cesar Millan: [01:02:36] Well, I didn't mean because you know, my whole thing was to be knowledgeable on money, fame and power. I didn't come to America to be famous, powerful, and that. I just came to learn so I can go back to mom, and I love my dad but you know, but we always talk about that way as a Latino, there's mom meaning the whole family, and support her, you know, support them both for the later part of their lives. So I thought that everybody, you know, has the same level of honesty, integrity, and loyalty to an idea. I didn't know that dishonesty part in Hollywood. I was raised by my grandpa as well, and he died when he was 105.

[01:03:27] So that kind of man, that kind of mind is your Last Mohican kind of thing. You know, whatever he says is going to be done and is checking and that's it. And he'd rather die than do anything opposite of what he said. So that stuff doesn't work here. It’s all about the paperwork, you know, here it’s about lawyers. You better have a good pack of lawyers, you know, and that constitution that they're making you sign, it better be in your favor.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:03:57] Yeah. So you just kind of said, “Sure. TV show? Awesome! Yeah, this looks great.”

Cesar Millan: [01:03:59] Yeah, because I manifested a TV show, you know. I was first interviewed by the LA Times, and at the end of the conversation, the lady says, “So what would you like to do next? I mean, all these people are coming to you.” I had a place in South Central, my first dog psychology center, you know. Nicolas Cage just came in. It's like, Hey, in South Central, I mean. Dogs from Beverly Hills come to South Central to get rehabilitated.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:24] I'm surprised to hear that.

Cesar Millan: [01:04:26] That's right. So from the wealthiest place on the planet to the hood, the dog's kind of, normally it's the other way around. You know what I mean? And so I say, “Well, I'd like to have a TV show.” So I manifested the TV show way before producers came and, but I just have no idea about that.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:45] Yeah. So of course, yeah. You just said, “Great, this is working for me. Sign it.” And then a few years go by and it's like, “Wait a minute. What do you mean? I don't own this? You mean some other guy!”

Cesar Millan: [01:04:53] [indiscernible] my kids don't own their names. What do you mean I'm not an owner of this library, you know? What do you mean I can't see the books? You know what I mean? So all of those things that you are totally unaware of, you know, the shows in 120 countries. You know, why we're not getting any procedures? You know what I mean? It's like, “Oh no, it's on the red.” How’s that in a red? It's like 120 countries.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:05:21] Yeah. It doesn't make it any sense. So they were just spending money, like these guys?

Cesar Millan: [01:05:26] They were doing some amazing, terrible things that only a brain or the mind can do it because the instincts can do it, or your heart can't do it, or your spirit can do it. There is no way your soul will let you do that. There's no way your heart will let you do that. There's no way your common sense will let you do that. Only your wicked mind, negative mind will go against honesty, integrity, and loyalty.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:05:52] Yeah. And that’s one thing I never really understood. It's like if everybody's going really well in one direction, why screw somebody else over for an extra 10%? That part is always, even living in LA for as long as I have, New York for as long as I have that, I still don't understand when people do that. I still naively look for the best in people and sometimes my wife or my producer Jason or other people, apparently your parents will do that. They'll go, “Hey man, what are you doing? You've got to be careful.” And I'm like, “Oh yeah”, because I have to take a step back because I, too, prefer to live in a world where it will possibly be a naive world where people are going to do the right thing because it's better for everyone.

Cesar Millan: [01:06:36] But I’m a man of values, you know, I don't think I will ever give that up.  I will never give up my honesty, my integrity and my loyalty, you know. I will never do that. I didn't grow up in that place. My parents are not that way. My grandfather was not that way. The environment that I grew up was not the way, my role models that I admire so much, animals are not that way. So I'm okay with the experience. Obviously in the beginning it was painful, you know? You get to experience fight-flight avoidance. You get to like feel this let down.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:07:15] Not sleep for a couple of weeks?

Cesar Millan: [01:07:17] Listen, I already come from poverty. So it's not that I don't know how not to have money. I mastered that. So I come from no money. So it wasn't about the people that stole my money. It was about people now following honesty, integrity. That's what hurt me. You know, to experience humans at that level when they were saying, you know, that we're honest people. So I believe. I believe on that. It’s that part, that naiveness part, that good human being side of it. I'm never going to let that go. I mean, it only make me more clear that I'm glad that I'm that way, you know? But definitely, I went through some like very disappointed. I even put myself in a failure. I'm a failure because I didn't recognize those situations. But that was not in my role to recognize those situations. You know what I mean? But I blamed myself for a little while. That's why, you know, try to commit suicide and it didn't work -- one of my biggest failures. One of my biggest failures is not being able to kill myself, but you know, when it is not meant for you, even if you put yourself in front of a bullet as we call it in Sinoloa, it is not for you.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:08:38] What elements of your poverty upbringing do you still have? You know, like my older relatives who survived World War II, they'll keep like ketchup packets in their purse. Do you have any sort of…

Cesar Millan: [01:08:46] I'm not a hoarder. No.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:08:47] Not a hoarder. Of course, but is there anything else where it's like, “Oh, when I get hungry I start to like get angry, real angry.” Or you have any sort of quirks that you brought with you from the old country?

Cesar Millan: [01:08:58] No, I just go overeat. I’m an American citizen, people! I have a whole ketchup stuff.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:08] Yeah, that's right. And they're like driving out here like, “Where is this place, man? Six miles off?”

Cesar Millan: [01:09:13] For here, going sushi. Like here in Shogun, perfect place. All you can eat for 23 bucks.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:19] Not bad. Yeah. Well maybe we'll hit there after this.

Cesar Millan: [01:09:21] No, I don't have that. I like things clean. I don't like to collect anything that is not needed.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:32] Yeah. Just dogs.

Cesar Millan: [01:09:33] No, not even, no way. I have a limit. No, those 65 at that time, I mean it was from five in the morning to 11 PM. That was my life. And you know, I was a dad at that time. I'm still a dad, but I was raising two little kids and they will have to come with as I do, as I'm growing this business. So I'm glad because they're awesome with animals.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:54] Yeah, I would imagine.

Cesar Millan: [01:09:55] Yeah. Both of them have a TV show, you know, so that paid off. You know, but no, I don't have anything like that. I still have the same desire of helping my mom and my dad.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:10:09] Do you consider yourself now more Mexican or more American? Obviously, there's a blend.

Cesar Millan: [01:10:16] You need both. Yeah. You need both, because Mexico is like my mother and America is my father. You know, as a father is more like the sense of direction and the mother is the nurturing part of it, so both of the countries have definitely made me who I am. You know, America has a great thing to help you to self-love yourself. You know what I mean? And to find who you really are now, like be the leader you want to be. There were countries or Latino country is all about being a follower. Yes, so if you were born a leader, but if they tell, “You know, you have to go and work for somebody else.”

[01:10:59] And so you never get to be who we want to be, in America it’s all about self-help, you know, self-realization. And America has the Tony Robbins, the Wayne Dyers, or the Oprahs of the world, you know, the Deepak Chopras, and all of those people who are helping people to be themselves, you know, so in a third world country, we don't get it.  In India, I mean, if you're born, a certain kind of past, that's who you were born to be. You know what I mean? Like the place where people go get good karma. Like the place for spirituality. Then you have to stick in that, stay in that. No, I mean, that's what America has.

[01:11:41] America has that ability to really bring that side of you, you know. I love the part of Mexico, Mexico is super family-oriented. Here you become very self-oriented and over there you become family-oriented. So the combination of both, you become a good pack member.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:11:57] Yeah. Are you recently married? Or you still engaged?

Cesar Millan: [01:12:00] I’m engaged. I am engaged to a Dominican awesome woman. Yeah. She loves animals.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:06] That's good. Have you ever dated anyone that's not?

Cesar Millan: [01:12:09] My ex.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:10] What? She's like, “Hey, do you have any pets?” You're like, “65 dog.” She's like, “Check please.”

Cesar Millan: [01:12:15] Oh no, we just got pregnant too soon. Yeah. But you know, I have two awesome boys from that but she was not an animal person, so it wasn't going to work.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:24] Well, yeah. Oh my gosh. Imagine what kind of tension that would've caused.

Cesar Millan: [01:12:29] Oh yeah. We just, not even thinking about that.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:31] I heard Will Smith doesn't like animals, but Jada has like…

Cesar Millan: [01:12:34] Jada is my soul friend. We've been friends for 20 something years. Actually the boxer that you saw here belonged to them. Yeah. Will is an admirer of animals.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:48] Yeah. But he grew up in the city, so maybe he just didn't have pet.

Cesar Millan: [01:12:51] There’s a lot of people that grew up in a city. Jada grew up in the city. Yeah, in Baltimore.  But it’s you're an animal person or you're not, you know, so yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:59] I always find that, I feel like, there’s a part of me that just thinks everyone's an animal person and just doesn't know it yet or something. But maybe that's naive. I don’t know.

Cesar Millan: [01:13:09] No, there's three kinds of people in the animal world. People who love animals, people who are afraid of animals, people who don't like animals. And that's pretty much it. You know what I mean? Those are the three energies in the world. If you think about it, some people love people, some people are afraid of people, some people don't like people.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:21] Yeah, I suppose that's true. I just can't imagine not being around animals. Like I grew up with dogs and now I have cats and I've got all kinds, if it were up to my wife, we would probably build a little shack back here somewhere. She would be petting dogs and training dogs and walking around with a bird on her shoulder.

Cesar Millan: [01:13:37] That's the best, man. That’s the best feeling.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:40] We were driving in and she goes, “I want a place just like this.” And I thought, “Okay.”

Cesar Millan: [01:13:44] Yes, oh you haven't seen the whole place yet. But this is a dream. It is definitely the Mecca for a lot of the dog people and the energy people because that we invite in also yoga people. You know what I mean? And we've got Asian people. We got many different places for you to meditate and for you to do this connection to nature and yourself and your heart and the thing is we provide animals who are in a relaxed state. For example, if you want to do yoga right next to the lamas and alpacas, the energy is incredible. You know, or emus, the energy is incredible. A horse, energy…

Jordan Harbinger: [01:14:18] Horse yoga. I've seen goat yoga with the goat standing.

Cesar Millan: [01:14:22] Yeah, I had the dog go on top of the people. Yeah. That's cute.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:14:24] I don't get that one.

Cesar Millan: [01:14:26] Yeah. It's best to walk with the goat, than actually do yoga with the goat. The yoga is best with the animals who actually just lay like you're around a camel. I can dig that. Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:14:36] Yeah? Because they're just hanging out? Relaxing?

Cesar Millan: [01:14:40] Yeah, man. The energy that those guys do when they're chilling is what you need to imitate. The goat never chills.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:14:48] Yeah. The goats are always running around. Yeah. Eating grass or worse.

Cesar Millan: [01:14:53] Yeah. They're bouncing all the time. You can't concentrate.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:14:57] Yeah, that's a good point. Well, my last question honestly is what kind of lessons from the dogs are you bringing into your new relationship with your fiancé?

Cesar Millan: [01:15:08] Compatibility, number one. You know what I'm saying? Compatibility is definitely a main ingredient to be with someone for the rest of your life. You know, and then are the values. Do we have the same values about life? You know, is the same purpose of our life, at the same meaning of our life? Do we have our same spirituality? You know, and are we willing to follow in love 100%? You know, no matter what and that we’re willing to make sure our senses are at 100%, you know -- our eyes, our ears, everything. You know, that's why exercise has been affecting. It affects your senses in a good way, you know, that kind of thing. And are we willing to build this business together? And we are. You know what I mean? So if the four worlds in some shape or form, you can partner with that person, you're going to build a good life. You know, and in my case, is also we’re building, for the third time, a business.

[01:16:13] You know what I mean? So this is my third time picking up myself and taking it to another level, you know, business-wise, and it feels good. The team is smaller, but only wolf and this time.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:16:26] Only wolf? What does that mean?

Cesar Millan: [01:16:28] Wolves are great hunters because they never stopped hunting. So when you want to do business and you want to grow the business, you want those guys to be wolf-like.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:16:37] Oh, so the people on your team are only wolves now. Right. As opposed to dogs.

Cesar Millan: [01:16:42] Dogs. Yeah, the dogs are good for the maintenance.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:16:46] You've got a hustler, go-getter team. Yeah.

Cesar Millan: [01:16:49] Then you follow the place floor, you know, that's a dog thing. Yeah. Those are definitely more playful than wolves. Yeah. The wolf is known to be the greatest hunter in the planet.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:17:00] Yeah. They don't turn it off.

Cesar Millan: [01:17:02] They never turn it off, The Wolf of Wall Street. You know what I mean?

Jordan Harbinger: [01:17:04] Yeah. Well, maybe a bad example.

Cesar Millan: [01:17:07] Yeah. Well I know, but he was a hunter. I mean, how he did it for the movie is a negative thing, but the spirit of a wolf, that's why a lot of native Americans were very respectful to the wolf. You know, it's in a higher place for family purposes and for medicine purposes. For that, it’s just right now the team is smaller, but more powerful.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:17:34] That's great. Yeah. That's exciting. I'm excited to see what happens, man.

Cesar Millan: [01:17:38] I'm excited about it. I'm about to be 50 this year and loving life more than ever. The people that I have around me right now are definitely the people that I'm glad that they are with me right now in this era of my life. My kids are in a perfect place, the greatest woman on the planet, my parents are fine, and all these opportunities, you know, that’s coming our way is incredible. You know, so you got to go down and then come right back, that’s the beauty of life. You know, like the whole thing about checking yourself and move on and do it again. As long as you don't feel your common sense, as long as you don't lose your common sense, along, as long as you don't lose your faith, as long as you don’t lose your passion, you're going to be fine. You know what I mean? You're going to be fine. That's all you need -- not to lose. You can lose money all day long, but you can make it again. Especially a guy like me, they came with no money. You know what I'm saying? So I just got to go do it again. That's it.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:18:38] Cesar, thank you very much. This has been great.

Cesar Millan: [01:18:40] Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Alpha, you did great.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:18:45] Well, that was a fun show, Jason. Thanks for setting that up.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:18:48] Oh, my pleasure. Yeah, that was a bucket list item definitely for me. I've always wanted to go up to the Dog Psychology Center and this was just a fantastic chance to go meet the man, meet the animals, and have just a really good show.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:19:00] Yeah, that was great. There were a lot of animals there after you, I think had to bounce, me and Jen and Ryan, we got a tour and it was like, there's llamas, there's tortoise, of course there's chickens and dogs everywhere and stuff like that, but all kinds of, they were emus we got to pet and hold and a llama that came up. By the way, the llama's name, Lorenzo.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:19:22] Nice. Very nice.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:19:25] And so, yeah, Lorenzo Llama, for those of you who are a little short on the… anyway, whatever. But we've got to pet an emu. I mean, you don't normally get to go to the zoo and be like, “I'm going to climb the cage and pet the animals.” So that was cool. That was a lot of fun.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:19:38] Yeah, I'm sad I missed out on that, but had to go back home and get back to work.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:19:41] Yeah, well we can go back there again. The Dog Psychology Center, I mean they invited us to a barbecue. Cesar was surprisingly accessible, really cool, generous with his time. He was like, “Yeah, you guys got to come back and hang out, do more stuff, come to have some barbecue and all.” It was funny because he's like, “I'm really good at cooking barbecue”, and I was like, “Yeah, okay. Every guy says that.” And then all his employees and I think his kids were like, “No, dude, you really got to come back and try the barbecue. Like you really got to come back for the barbecue.” So apparently he's really, really good at doing some barbecue, that Cesar Millan.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:20:12] I got that from the staff and the family. They're like, “No dude, we're not joking. You really got to come back for the barbecue.” I'm like, “All right, I'm in.”

Jordan Harbinger: [01:20:18] Yeah, for real though. That barbecue. So a great big thank you to Cesar Millan and everyone at the Dog Psychology Center. If you want to know how we managed to book these great guests, we use systems, we use tiny habits. We use consistency and some software of course, and you can check out our system. It's free. We're teaching to this Six-Minute Networking. It takes six minutes per day. That's the idea. The course is free. It's at JordanHarbinger.com/course, and I know a lot of people are like, “I got to do that. I feel like every time you talk about it, you're talking to me.” Yeah, I'm talking to you. Don't kick the can down the road. You need those relationships. When you need them, you're too late to build them. Then you're that guy or gal that was like, “Hey bro, longtime no see, I need a job.”

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