185: How to Get Hired Like a Boss | Feedback Friday

Transcript for How to Get Hired Like a Boss | Feedback Friday (Episode 185)

Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:00] Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host Jordan Harbinger and I'm here with producer Jason DeFillippo. Here on The Jordan Harbinger Show, we love having conversations with our guests. And this week we had Lisa Lampanelli. I was going to say comedian Lisa Lampanelli, but she has left comedy. She left the industry at the top of the game, which I thought was interesting because she gave everything up for a life of service and that's a theme we're seeing more and more lately with the celebrities that we're interviewing. We also had Naveen Jain talking about moonshots thinking big to solve global problems. He'll be mining the moon literally and hopefully help make illnesses a thing of the past with the research that his companies are doing.

[00:00:40] Also, I write every so often on the blog actually quite regularly. The latest post is about how to talk about yourself without sounding like an a-hole, and a lot of us have problems doing this and we just stopped trying to sell ourselves completely or we resigned ourselves to sounding like an a-hole. That's also a problem. So just like the show, the articles give a lot of concrete and practical advice, so make sure you've had a look and a listen on the show and on the blogs, all of that.

[00:01:05] Of course, our primary mission is to pass along our guests' wisdom and our experiences and insights to you. In other words, the real purpose of the show is to have conversations directly with you and that's what we're going to do today here on Feedback Friday. You can reach us at friday@jordanharbinger.com. Try to keep them concise if you can. It really does increase the chance that your question will get answered on the air.

[00:01:25] I'm back in the studio in LA here with producer Jason.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:01:28] Hello sir. Welcome to my humble home.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:01:30] Yes, I love doing these live. It's more fun. I'm always down here to do interviews. So, of course, you know, I'm hanging out with Adam Carolla. Dr. Drew or do that kind of thing for my regular segment there. And by the way, if you don't listen to Adam Corolla, you'd be surprised. I'm on there every week, much to the annoyance of many Adam Corolla listeners, in fact. But if you found us through there, then welcome to the show. I also went to Moby's house.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:01:52] Mr. Fancy Pants.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:01:53] Yeah. And did an interview there. You know, what was really fun about that? And that'll be out in the next few weeks. But what was really funny about that one was you walk in -- and he's got this public area of his house in a private area. So like an in-law unit where he's like, "Here's where all this schmucky schmuck interviewer people and people I don't want my freaking house can come."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:02:12] Wow.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:13] And I like that idea. I'm like, I'm stealing this idea for one. I get a house to have a separate thing. And so I walked in his assistant -- awesome guy, Jonathan -- he's like, "Hey, welcome. Here are all Moby's awards." And it's just floor-to-ceiling gold and platinum records, all of his VMAs, all of his industry awards are all on a shelf, not organized necessarily in any particular way. And I was like, "Oh." And he goes, "Yeah, I really should dust these. But honestly, they were in a box for like eight years and we just took them out." And I went, "Really?" And he's like, "Yeah." He doesn't really care about any of this. And I thought that is such a Moby type thing to do. He just does not care about any of the awards.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:02:53] And yeah, I can see that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:55] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:02:55] I can totally see that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:56] But I love the idea that he went -- the whole show was about him, not the whole show, much of the show is about him, chasing fame and then finding out it didn't make him happy, and so those awards are just kind of like little trophies for that thing.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:03:09] Yeah. It's a reminder of like he was chasing something that didn't really matter.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:12] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:03:12] Kind of.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:13] Yeah. And he got it. And here's the proof. And there are some surprises in that show. I really enjoyed doing it. We also did a show with Ramit Sethi, a good friend of mine and he's going to make a little cameo on today's Feedback Friday as well.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:03:26] All right.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:27] By the way, a lot of people have written in and said, "Hey, can you book more women on the show?" We are working on it. Here's the thing -- I've got a couple of angry like sort of messages that were like, "You know, I can't stay subscribing if you're only going to have men on the show." We're trying really hard to have women on the show. The problem is we reach out to a lot of women and they're either busy or they're not doing media or et cetera. And I thought, why is this the case? And I was talking with a couple of friends of mine and actually, this is the theory that I have a lot of men love doing media because it's kind of this great validation. There's a little ego in play there. It sort of expands their profile. Women are far more concerned in general with just getting the work done and showing up and doing really good stuff. And so they're kind of like, "No thanks. I'm the COO of," -- I don't know Tesla or whatever SpaceX, "I don't need to do a podcast." Whereas guys are like fame, profile, you know --

JoJason DeFillippo: [00:04:26] Sign me up.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:26] Accoutrements of wealth, where do I go for that? And a lot of the women that have been pitching us, just like a lot of the men that have been pitching us are like life coaches and self-help personalities. "I'm just not interested in." So I tried to get these really accomplished businesswomen. They're kind of like, "No thanks, got family, got business, see you later."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:04:46] And yeah, we've had people like Molly Bloom, Jane McGonigal on, we've got Lisa Lampanelli, we've got a lot of women on, but not as many as we'd like.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:54] Yeah, exactly. And I know I've been afraid to say anything about it because what I don't want is like 7,000 people in my inbox being like, "My friend wrote a book about upholstery." Because we get a lot of those from dudes. I'm not saying that's a thing that women are going to do. I'm just saying we get a lot of bad pitches as it is.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:05:09] Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:10] So I didn't want to encourage that, but I just want people to know that we're not like ignoring the female contingent. We're actually trying really hard to do it. It's more difficult to book and my theory is because they don't care about the high profile stuff as much as guys do.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:05:25] Yeah. I mean, we also had Annie Duke, Duana Welch, Barbara Boxer. We've had some pretty high-profile women on the show, so we're trying really hard and we love having the women on the show.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:34] Yeah, it's actually, I'll tell you the conversation flows a lot easier in my opinion because women aren't afraid to be vulnerable and talk about things that might make them look vulnerable. Whereas guys are often trying, I spend a lot of time chipping away at that to get people to open up on the show and I almost never have to do that with women because I think they're more used to that.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:05:53] Yeah. It was just like, "Don't interview me, bro."

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:56] Yeah, yeah. Guys are just like, "Can we get back to my book now?" And I'm like, "Let's talk about your troubled childhood." We're not talking about your book until you cry.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:06:03] Yeah. Seriously. We're not playing beer pong on the show. Let's get to something vulnerable here.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:06:09] Right, exactly. Exactly. All right, so we're working on it and I just wanted everybody to know that because I think that that is important. I'm not ignoring it and don't get mad at us for not having enough women. Please. All right. What's the first thing out of the mailbag?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:06:22] Hello to the J Triumvirate, aka the J-umvirate. My new favorite tagline here.

[00:06:27] My best friend's wedding is in a few weeks and I'm the best man. My mother was invited because my friend lived with her and I for a few years at our house. My mom wants to bring my father who I despise as her guest to the wedding. They've never been married and he was dating his current wife who he's still with when he got my mother pregnant. After I was born, he married his girlfriend and he and my mom have been having an on again off again affair ever since. I hate my father for many reasons, but mostly for a time, he promised me an apartment leading me to not renew my lease, only to tell me he didn't have the apartment to give me when the move in time came. This led to my girlfriend, lizard, cat, and her two kids that she shares custody with moving back into my childhood bedroom at my mom's. We still haven't fully recovered since rental prices are so high in New York and after two years we're still at my mother's with no escape in sight. He never apologized for displacing and misleading us and to be honest, I just don't like him as a person since all this happened, it's also a gay wedding. And my father is the kind of person who sees a rainbow instantly makes a gay joke. He's a conservative and I know he doesn't have the real respect he would for a straight wedding. So how can I get my mother to not bring another woman's husband aka my father, to my best friend's wedding? What can I do? I've told her I won't lie to the other guests and I'll tell them that he has a wife at home. I've asked her not to bring him. Do I bring it up to my best friend who already has a wedding to deal with? Do I air out the dirty laundry on Facebook? Where do I go from here? With admiration, The Best Man and Son of the Worst Man.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:07:59] Oh man. So I get why you're upset here. I do. I would say you should definitely not bother the groom about this. They've got enough to deal with. The last thing they want is for you to be like, "Here's my personal drama about your guest's list." It's like, "I don't care."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:08:16] Yeah. I'm worried about what if the cake's going to show up.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:18] Right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:08:19] You know.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:19] Yeah, exactly. Is it going to be so hot that people are sweating in their formal wear? There are so many things they're worried about with a wedding. The last thing they care about is your small potatoes. Really. If they cared, they wouldn't have invited any of you.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:08:32] Exactly. They had been at the Justice of the Peace in Vegas and gotten it done right.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:37] Not you, everyone. In fact, they probably thought about it and then decided, screw it, we're going to try this. So don't make it worse. Don't air it on Facebook. This is only going to hurt the groom. It's not going to do anything to dissuade anyone. If your mom and dad are disrespectful, clueless, whatever, one or both. They're not going to go, "Oh, I saw this Facebook post from our son that was kind of passive-aggressive about me bringing you so I'm not going to do it." You've already spoken with her directly and she doesn't care. A Facebook post isn't going to do it. It's just going to piss off everybody else at the wedding and make you look bad. I think you're doing the right thing, bringing it up to your mom, and refusing to lie about the situation. You should never have to lie about this sort of thing. And this type of pressure, social pressure, it might dissuade her from bringing him, but then again, it might not, because it sounds like -- I hate to say this about your mom -- but it sounds like she's got some self-worth issues since she's been having an affair with a married man for like 30 years or however long it's been. And you can be clear that you don't respect or like him and that'll be embarrassing for her, but it'll also be embarrassing for you and the grooms. That's about all you can do. You can kind of just make it worse.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:09:48] Yeah. Beyond slashing her tires before she can take off in the morning to go to the wedding.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:51] Yeah. I mean there's a thought -- you could do that too.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:09:53] You could do that

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:54] if he's snickering and making jokes the whole time. "Ugh, it's a gay wedding." Then he's the a-hole doing that during the wedding. So don't worry about that. It's not going to ruin the wedding and you can ignore him the entire time if you want to. You're not going to be seated with them. It's definitely bad judgment for her to bring him, but it's also the least of her bad decisions regarding your father, so I wouldn't expect that to change.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:10:14] Yeah, seriously. Yeah. There's a history of bad decisions here and this is pretty low on the totem pole.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:19] Right, exactly. Exactly. You might not like your dad and from what you've said, I wouldn't like the guy either. He sounds like an idiot and that said -- I don't know, I just said that about someone's dad, but whatever.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:10:29] You're justified on this.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:30] Okay. That said, it's not your wedding. You don't have to worry about it. You can request that you're not seated with him and like I said, you're probably not going to be seated with them anyway. You're the best man. You're going to be at the wedding party table and you can just say hi to your mom. You can snub your dad all you want at the wedding, but don't make it someone else's problem. I honestly wouldn't worry about this. Every wedding has an asshole. At my wedding, it was, ironically, the guys that I used to work with. Did you interact with them at all? We got so many complaints about those guys.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:11:01] They treated me like such crap at your wedding. They were so mean to me, just like talk down to me and thought that they were the bee's knees and I'm like, you are just stupid people and you are that guy at the wedding. Both of you are that guy.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:16] Yeah. Many guests complained about, ironically, The Art of Charm guy's behavior at my wedding and I was so ashamed of working with those guys at that point. That was one of the linchpins of this dissolution and moving away from them because -- so trust me, I feel you. I know what it's like to have somebody at your wedding that's associated with you that sucks. It's just not good. It's embarrassing. But your guests will understand that it's not your fault.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:11:40] And it's not his wedding. He's just the best man.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:43] Right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:11:43] I can see why he's like, you know, worried about bringing this element to the wedding. And I think it's going to be a nonstarter because the guy's going to be the guy. It's not like his son's where he's going to be like, you know, mouthy and everything. I think that he's going to sit in the back, he can mumble his gay jokes, all he wants, nobody's going to care. And they're not going to associate with them.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:02] Exactly, he's going to be the lonely drunk at the wedding.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:12:04] Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because everybody's there for, you know, the people, they love the gay wedding and this is the one guy that's coming in out of the cold that nobody cares about. And if he starts bagging on the groom and the groom or the bride and the bride -- we don't know if it's the groom and the groom and the bride and the bride abroad -- but everybody's going to turn on him and just, just walk away from him because they're there for the couple. They're not there for him to do his stand-up jokes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:29] Yeah, exactly. Look, sometimes it's just not worth the stress when there's no worthy battle to fight. And this is one of those situations, in my opinion.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:12:37] Yeah, totally.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:12:39] All right, next.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:12:40] Hi Jays. I'm looking for your advice on when to retire. Currently, I'm a director at a large multinational company. The team is great and mornings are not filled with dread that I have to get up and go to work. I'm 57 and recently widowed quite unexpectedly. We saved up a lot of retirement money and have no debt being insulin-dependent though it means medical costs before Medicare are a big consideration, life is short is so true. I don't want to miss out on enjoying travel, which I haven't done a lot of and would enjoy a ton of reading time, but what happens if I get bored in a year or two? In my age, I'm concerned that re-entering high tech, which was my entire career experience, would be difficult to impossible. Any thoughts on retirement timing and considerations would be appreciated. Signed, When Do I Pull the Ripcord?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:13:26] This is an interesting question. First of all, I am so sorry to hear that you've lost your wife suddenly. I cannot imagine what that feels like. I am so, so sorry to hear this. I think that you are smart for thinking about retirement, especially in light of this. You're right, life's too short. You've got a lot of things to tick off the bucket list. I'd ask how's your health insurance and how will it change when you retire? That's going to be a primary concern and you might be able to get something from your union or your industry and lock it in. I'm sure that you've thought of this. Either way, definitely figure out how much you'll need to be comfortable later down the line. To your bigger question, what happens if you get bored in a year or two? You know you're right at your age, it's going to be tough to reenter the workforce, especially in a high tech field. That said, you probably will not get bored if you play this right, so one, make sure you reactivate your social circle. Do this before you retire. Don't wait until you're at home on your first day off and go like, Oh, who's around? I want to hang out now. That's like --

Jason DeFillippo: [00:14:26] Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Jordan Harbinger: [00:14:27] That's like those guys. Remember in college, you'd get a friend, they'd get a girlfriend, you'd never see them again, and then they'd break up and they'd be like, "What's up?" And you're like, 'Who are you? What? What are you talking about?"

Jason DeFillippo: [00:14:35] Knocking on your door immediately.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:14:37] "What's up, bro? Let's have a guys night out." "What? No, I don't want to. Come on. Let's do it. It's been so long." You're like, "Dude, we've been hanging out without you, you self-centered jerk."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:14:48] Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:14:49] So reactivate the, before you retire, try the Six-minute Networking, re-engage, weaker and dormant ties in your network. Jordanharbinger.com/courses where that's at. It's free as you all know by now. Two, make a list of skills and things you'd like to learn that you've never done or tried before. Take classes for those skills and in those areas and you're going to meet some other like minded folks, some other hobbyists. I would also say join a travel club. There are tons of these. There are lots of fun. My parents were in one. They loved it. The problem was everybody was a hundred years old. So you might want to find a club with people more your age or possibly even some somewhat younger, not too much younger. It'd be great if everybody was freshly retired, that would be ideal because they'll have enough time to hang out.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:15:34] Yeah. 57 is a weird age to retire and try and find that social circle for travel.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:15:39] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:15:40] I'm sure they're out there.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:15:41] Definitely.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:15:41] Now I'm 47 and it's weird for me to try and find people to go do that stuff with because everybody's still in their career and they're still heads down. But 57 I think is close enough where he might have better luck than I have tried to find that, find that crew because people, they're edging up there and like people are retiring early nowadays, so I think he might have some good luck there. But yeah, it's going to be interesting trying to find that click for him to travel with and go around the world with. But they're out there. They're definitely out there.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:16:09] Yeah. That is going to be a game-changer because traveling alone is fun, but it can get a little lonely. Traveling with a group is actually really, really fun.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:16:16] Yeah. It's fun at the beginning you can last until five or six months by yourself but after that, it's like good to have some buds.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:16:22] Yes, exactly. If you do end up getting bored in your retirement, and I understand why you're worried about that, start volunteering or helping with a non-profit, you don't have to get purpose and meaning from your work or career. Reminds me of that FBI agent that wrote us and was like, "Hey, I've got no upward mobility. I've got 10 more years. I don't have a lot of purpose in my job. Should I quit?" I think you can get plenty of purpose and meaning outside your career. Many people do not get purpose and meaning from their work and that's not ideal, I think, but it's very common and it doesn't mean you have to retire. Don't be following your passion. That's BS advice from Instagram influencers.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:17:02] Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And with all that free time you can like, you know, re-examined the things that you always wanted to do because you've probably forgotten about more things. There were probably more things that you've forgotten about. You always wanted to do, than you had time for. So now it's like, "Oh, I've got all this time. What am I going to do?" You have to go back to the well and figure out like, "What are those cool things that I always, you know, did I want to learn how to write? Did I want to learn how to paint? Did I want to learn how to cook? Did I want to learn how to volunteer at a children's center? Things like that. There's so much out there that you can do with all that spare time that you'd never had, that you've forgotten about. Like all of the desires that you had way back in the past. Because I've been trying to volunteer lately and there are a couple of volunteer organizations in California here that I've been going to. And I'm like, "Oh yeah. You know what, I always wanted to do that," and I'd forgotten about it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:17:55] What is it? What are you volunteering?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:17:57] I'm volunteering at some food banks now, so there are a couple of food banks --

Jordan Harbinger: [00:18:01] You know you can't just keep the food for yourself. Right?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:18:03] I know. I know. I actually bring some for myself -- so I volunteered at food banks just to categorize and organize the food on my days off and it's really nice because you meet different sets of people in all these different charities and you start engaging with new social circles and different things pop out of that. It's really fun. Just put yourself out there and spread yourself a little thin at the beginning and then you're going to be able to congeal into what you really want to do.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:18:31] Yeah, I agree. You'll start to filter in what you want. I think even if you volunteer or work full time in a paid position for a non-profit, you're not going to get bored and you'll be doing work that matters. Nobody said retirement has to be about watching TV all day or hanging out at the public library or finding that coffee shop and spreading out your grocery bags and like your laptop. You see these older retired people in LA doing that? I don't know what it is. It's like a whole thing -- probably everywhere, but especially I see it in LA. Every Starbucks has like two or three retirees and they brought their own food in and they buy their coffee and they're on their laptop and they're watching stuff on Netflix. And I'm just thinking this is your living room.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:19:15] Yeah, well, I see guys here that take the Wall Street Journal and spread it out over a table for six and they've got like a small coffee and everybody's like, "I want to sit down. But like grandpa's over there and he looks like he's just like hunkered down and I don't want to disturb him."

Jordan Harbinger: [00:19:28] Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I kind of think it's funny, it's like they're HQ, they're running around and talking to everyone. But if nothing else, this can be a downshift in your career or switching careers to something lighter but more meaningful. It doesn't have to be retired on and off. It doesn't have to be binary. You can find something else that doesn't pay very well that you find a lot of meaning in, so you're retired, you're making a little bit of money, but you're also doing work that matters that you couldn't afford to do while you needed to have your career on full blast.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:19:57] Another thing is he works in technology and if he retires he can mentor kids that are coming up in technology and you know, I don't know which branch of techs he’s in, if he was in telecommunications, programming, whatever he was in. He can start a program where he starts to mentor kids that are coming up like coming out of college or high school and giving them direction and taking his knowledge and passing it along because that's a real need right now, especially since he was in high tech for so long. It is hard to get a job in high-tech obviously. I know that after a certain age, so even if he doesn't want to go back into it, but if he can afford to and he doesn't have to work, mentoring kids that are coming out of school and educating them on what the real business world is like would be a fantastic thing for him.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:43] Yeah. Also, you could also teach classes on how older people can learn to use. There are a million things you can do. You can do something. You could go abroad and volunteer.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:20:51] Yeah, so many things.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:52] You don't have to live in the States.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:20:53] You just got to be creative with it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:54] Exactly. Yeah. I think there's going to be lots of time for travel. Lots of time for reading. Lots of time for doing meaningful work. Honestly, that sounds pretty good right now. I'm excited for you.

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Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:02] Jordan, what's next out of the mailbag?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:04] Hey guys, I'm finally solid enough in my job and finances to get a house. I'm having a new one built and I'm very excited, but I'm wondering what the balance is between asking too many questions and pointing out possible problems with the contractors to just letting the builders do their job. On the one hand, it's my house and it's a whole lot of my money, but on the other hand, I don't want to be that guy. I don't know what the equivalent is to spitting in my food when you're building a house, maybe it's accidentally leaving your tuna sandwich in the drywall, but I'd rather not experience it. I can be pretty neurotic about big projects like this where there's a lot on the line and I want to try to establish the line in the sand now. Thanks, New House Nag.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:44] So I reached out to Nag to find out some more info and found out that Nag is building what they basically call a PUD. Don't laugh. It's a PUD.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:51] I have one of those.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:53] Okay. Yes, it's a planned urban development.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:55] Oh no, no. I don't have one of those.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:57] Actually, you kind of do in your condo but -- so he went to a builder, picked his lot, his floor plan, finished his colors and fixtures, and then basically it's their job to deliver the house that he ordered. It's like going to McDonald's drive-through for a home.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:11] Oh, that's cool.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:25:12] Yeah, so I tapped my roommate who's a real estate broker. It is, she's built a bunch of homes, apartment buildings with general contractors and she sold a few PUD homes as well. So to get some advice for Nag here. So what you want to do when you're getting the contract in order, ask as many questions as you want because that's the time to really kind of lay everything out before that contract is signed. Ask everything that's on your mind. And I asked him, he has not signed the contract yet. He's getting ready to, he's just worried about like how, how big of a nag he can be once the contract is signed and things start going. I mean really that is the time to put everything on the table. You want to make sure you're comfortable with everything and make sure you're clear on what's going to be delivered, the time frame and the cost because once the contract is signed, you're locked in. As a lawyer, Jordan, you know that?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:59] Yeah. You can't really back out at that point.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:26:02] Exactly. Once the building starts, you should be able to visit the site whenever you like, since it's your house that they're building, but be sure not to get in the way of the workers again though, ask upfront if there are any restrictions on visitation because there might be. It's an active construction site so you don't want to show up on a day that they're pouring concrete and just get in the way, like traipsing around and saying, "Hey, what's going on over here?" They're like, "Oh, we're busy making your driveway. Dude, can we just get back to work." And when it comes to highlighting issues that you might see on the site, never ever talked to the workers. These guys get their marching orders from up above and your menu that they build for them. That's really it. It's like I'm building a happy meal. This is my happy meal house. This is my job. I don't need to talk to the guy that bought the happy meal. I'm just making the happy meal.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:46] Right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:26:46] And if you see any issues, talk to your contact at the construction company. This also goes for people who are building a home or doing a renovation using a general contractor because they're slightly different, but the advice is the same. You want to talk to the contractor and not the workers because the workers could be subcontractors of subcontractors and have no direct relationship with you. They're replying to their boss who has another boss that talks to another boss and if you come in, you're going to be like messing up the whole thing, talk to the head honcho every time. And it makes things simpler because you're not playing a game of telephone with people who, in all honesty, probably don't have a full grasp of English --

Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:23] Around here, yeah. You're going to end up talking to some like Vietnamese guys or some guys who came here to do that work.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:27:32] Yeah, exactly. And Nag is building outside of Chicago. And when I live in Chicago, I lived in Downers Grove. I saw one of these types of houses being built like five blocks down or not even five blocks, five houses down from my house. And you might remember this when we used to record and I was complaining about the noise and the construction noise outside. It was exactly from that and it was the worst, but we had to do a show. So we did it. What they do is they drop off a mountain of lumber and four Mexican dudes. And that's really it. And these guys spend two to three months building this house. And the crazy thing is these guys aren't like looking at plans.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:28:06] No.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:28:07] These guys just know what the house is.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:28:08] The most guys are so talented and they work so hard.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:28:11] It's unbelievable. And I used to talk to them when I'd walk the dogs, I'd come by and say hi and how's it going? Whatever. And there was one guy, one guy who spoke English, the other guys, no English whatsoever. So I'm not just being hyperbolic with like, oh these guys don't generally speak the language. That's really kind of what it is because that's the way the labor market works.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:28:32] It's a work that nobody else really wants I think at this point.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:28:35] But I mean these guys are so talented, so talented and I watched them every day when I'd go by them. They would put up almost an entire floor and frame in one day. I'm like, "How the hell did you do that?" But yeah, a lot of these guys don't speak English. So if you're talking to the workers, you're not going to be able to communicate what your problem is.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:28:54] "Some guy came over and said something about the flooring and we're not totally sure. Or he doesn't like it for some reason or he doesn't like the edges. They look too rough." "Who was it?" "Not sure."

Jordan Harbinger: [00:29:07] Exactly.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:29:07] "He says he was the owner." "What are you talking about?"

Jason DeFillippo: [00:29:09] Yeah. Talk to the guys who are in your chain of command. Like if you're having a house done with the GC, talk to the GC. If you're talking with a company that's building your house, talk to your liaison at the company because what this guy has done, he's like, like I said, he picked out his lot. He picked out his layout, he picked out the finishes, the color, and just the little things that you can modify in those houses, that's all he has to deal with. If these guys screw up his house, well, he has recourse to go back to them. This is something that you need to worry about nagging them on because you have a contract, you have a warranty, and everything that's in that contract has to be delivered upon. So it's not even worth thinking about, I think, really.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:29:52] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:29:53] You know, so honestly enjoy your new home and don't stress about it too much.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:29:56] Yeah, I think that makes sense. The houses are guaranteed most likely from the builder.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:02] Oh, absolutely.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:02] If you find something, it's not going to be that big of a deal. My brother-in-law, he built a house and he went through a lot of back and forth, but he was trying to save money by going with cheaper contractors, which I totally understand. The problem is you get a lot of guys that are probably not super qualified to do the work.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:21] You get what you pay for.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:22] Yeah. Sometimes you do. And so there's a lot of little problems where it's like, "Hey, this window stucco is like falling off."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:29] Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:29] Because they use the cheap stuff and then they didn't apply it correctly. Then they didn't wait for it to dry before they painted it or whatever.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:34] Yeah. Little things like that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:35] I don't even know enough about it to come up with a pretend stucco problem. But that's the kind of stuff that happens. So I don't think there's a whole lot of spinning in your food type stuff from contractors. They might just be like, let's just get this done and get out of here.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:49] That's exactly it. Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:30:51] But I don't think they're going to go, let's screw up this guy's stucco because he keeps asking questions. That's a leap.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:30:57] It really is. This isn't a restaurant. You're talking about a building which is several hundred thousand dollar projects. There are regulations, there's insurance, they've got tons of insurance for what they do. That also ensures their contractors underneath them. And I don't think this is like going to a restaurant and getting a bad sandwich.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:15] Right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:31:16] This is not, this is not a one-off contract thing. These guys are going to be there, especially if it's a planned development because every other house in the development is going to be built by the same people, so they have a vested interest in just building that house, getting you in it, getting it done.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:32] Yeah. What I would say is once it's done and your builder might not tell you this, test everything in the house a lot. So one thing that actually bites people in the butt, and we were told this by our builder who's extremely ethical and hasn't really good reputation and still repairs things at our house, which is like three or four years old now at this point and just says, "Screw up, we want you to be happy." One thing they said is, "Hey, this is your downstairs guest room bathroom. We know you might not use this very often. What you should do is leave the shower running for half an hour or so and see if there are any issues or have a guest come and stay with you for a couple of days or a week and tell you any issues." Because the problem is you're going to go in your bathroom and take a shower, you're going to take a bath, you're going to use the other bathroom to give your kids or your dog a bath or whatever. You're going to run the air conditioner and see if it leaks, which is what happened with ours that leaked into the roof like that.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:32:23] I remember that.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:23] That was horrifying, but they fixed it right away. But the downstairs, these guest rooms are the bathroom in the basement, the half bath you have downstairs. That's the stuff you use once in two years. And then your mother-in-law comes and stays with you and says, "Hey, this weird dripping coming from the ceiling in the water that was in the showers now all over the floor," and you go, "Oh my God," because they didn't seal it or something.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:32:46] Right.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:47] You have to try out, try living in each of the bedrooms in your house for a few days, sleep in there overnight to hear weird noises, you hear drips, use that bathroom, use that shower, flush that toilet. That's the stuff that goes wrong.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:01] Yeah, stress tests your new house.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:02] Stress test the new house. I know you want to live in your bedroom and not worry about it. Sleep downstairs in the guest room for a week.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:08] I slept in your guest bedroom and I have an issue with your architect because of that little sink down there every time I went to go --

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:15] That sink sucks.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:16] Dude, I hit my head on your mirrors so many times.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:18] I have the world's smallest sink in my house.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:21] It Is ridiculous.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:23] It's so small that there are for sure dog bowls that are about the same size or bigger.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:28] My dog bowl is definitely bigger.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:30] It's so tiny and it's like a weird rectangle shape that's really close to the wall. So if you want to brush your teeth over it, you need a head that is flat.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:39] I almost brained myself, like I tried to rinse my mouth after I was brushing my teeth. I went down and just brained myself on the mirror. The fact that it didn't break was amazing.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:48] My parents are like, "This sink sucks." My dad's like, "Screw it." He comes upstairs and brushes his teeth in the kitchen. I'm just like, "Sorry." Yeah, I didn't design that obviously. I'd rather have a bigger sink that you need to walk around and it's sort of awkward than have that little ass sink. I don't know what the deal is with that thing. Anyway, what's next?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:34:07] Hello Jordan, Jen, and Jason. Seeing the fabulous photoshoot you and Jen did to announce your upcoming arrival. Prompted me to finally write in.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:34:15] Do we want to tell people what that arrival actually is? Because you haven't actually mentioned it on the show.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:19] Yeah, Jen is pregnant. We're having a boy. I think I'm talking about it more and more on shows because it's not a secret or anything, but I haven't really done any sort of formal announcements. So yeah, we're having a boy due in August or late July. We'll see.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:34:32] Congrats on your ever-expanding family. Jen looks gorgeous but props to you for that fabulous MeUndies dad to be shot on Instagram.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:39] Oh right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:34:40] I've got to say that was epic.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:41] Yes.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:34:41] That is well done.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:42] Thank you. Yeah, so what we did is we did a maternity shoot and Jen was like, "It's called and I have to wear this dress and dah, dah, dah." And I was like, "I'll wear the dress." So I put on a nice green maternity dress, stood upon a rock in my underwear and socks and puffed my stomach out as far as it would go, which turns out not just far enough to look fat, not far enough to look like I'm pushing my stomach out, unfortunately. And I stood up on a rock in the middle of the desert and got some nice shots.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:35:12] instagram.com/jordanharbinger. Definitely go check it out.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:15] That's right. It'll be the photo where I'm in a green dress.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:35:18] It's going to be the show art for this episode by the way.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:20] Okay.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:35:21] We're going to make it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:21] There you go. Sure, no problem. So look at your podcast player and if you see custom show art, it's me and a maternity dress.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:35:30] I'm expecting my first child in just five short weeks. I'm 40 years old and my husband and I worked relentlessly for a couple of years before we finally, so we are thrilled to have this experience together. I own a business of 20 people that's been around for nearly 12 years. I recently started a school for my chosen craft and our first set of students will graduate this year. I also run a small theatrical group that's grown from four people to 30 and produces shows several times a year. That's my creative outlet and any money we make, we give to local charities. I find it something I love as much as my job at home. I'm a loving wife and bonus mom to two teen stepchildren. We're incredibly excited about this new baby, but I've never been this busy in my life and baby boy isn't even here yet. I've cut out relationships that don't serve me well. I focus on family and a close set of friends when I can and I appreciate the time at home more now than ever. I've put good people in good places to help us manage our business and groups. It still doesn't feel like enough. How do I balance all the things while giving my effort to being the best mom I can possibly be? How do successful people balance between their work they are passionate about, their families they adore, and the outlets they also need to function at an optimal level? People tell me to slow down, but slowing down feels like a prison sentence and I'm not willing to listen to that advice. I love being busy, but I also strive to be the best in all I do. I'm curious to hear if you have any advice from your mentors on this subject and as I respect all of you at Team Harbinger, I would love to hear what kind of intentions you are setting for your ever-expanding family. Thanks in advance for your time and congrats again. It's such a surreal and exciting time in life and I can tell you're going to be an amazing parent with a really cool Uncle Jason. Sincerely, A Jack of All Trades, Master of None.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:37:13] What I recommend here is not worrying about what everyone says until you're ready to make a decision. I know people say slow down, but if you're anything like me, you need to hit a wall before you slow down and I think since you've got a lot of great help, you've also got plenty of hobbies, you're going to be fine. You'll be able to balance things until you can't, and then and only then it'll be time to make tough decisions. So if you can take more of a backseat role in some of the hobbies and outside work stuff, great. If you can take maternity leave as well, even better. If you've got a thriving business and you can spare the cash. I'd consider hiring a personal assistant and I know that sounds extravagant, ridiculous, et cetera. This might be something as simple as a housekeeper or a nanny type person that does all the shopping, et cetera. Or something more like an executive assistant where they can do some personal assistant work as well as do some of the lighter liftings for your business and theater stuff if needed. And sure, this might cost you a grip of cash. If you want to go super low end, you go TaskRabbit. If you want to find something higher-end, there's going to be people that you can test out from Upwork or something like that in your area or other places where you can hire an assistant and you're looking for them in your area. Or you can just honestly, you can try Craigslist. So yeah, it'll cost you a little bit of money, but it might also purchase your sanity. It'll keep rested without having to drop your hobbies and drop other parts of your business. You've got to keep a lot of plates spinning so these people can probably help you do just that.

[00:38:44] And for us, Jenny's parents live really close by and her dad has retired, so we're leveraging that for sure. They're going to be a lot of help. We already see them three times a week. They're really stoked on this kid, so we're ready to let them come by and do a lot of daytime help. Pick the kids out for the day, et cetera, when they're old enough to do so. Additionally, we may hire other help as needed and sure it cuts into cash. We could have used it for other things and a nicer vacation. We could really invest in the business, whatever, but I'm not sure what's more valuable than being rested, getting a good night's sleep and spending time with the kids and on work instead of having to run errands, do laundry, go to the grocery store, take the cat to the vet, et cetera. So best of luck with this and definitely keep in touch. I am fully aware that I might be singing a different tune after August. We don't know yet.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:39:33] Oh, you will be.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:39:34] I might be like, "I can't do it. I can't believe it. No, you can't just hire this out." Like I might be doing that, but everyone I know has this problem, that has kids, and is super busy, and has the entrepreneur thing going, a lot of these folks are hired assistants. Just hire a housekeeper. Hire a night nurse. Whatever those sort of weak spots are. You know, if you're not getting sleep, hire a night nurse. If you're not able to get all your errands done and still work on your business, hire an assistant. People are afraid to do that, but it's actually the best thing that you can do to free up your time. Hire someone competent and outsource all of it to everything you can.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:40:13] We'll be right back with more Feedback Friday right after this.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:42:54] All right, next up.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:42:55] Good morning Jordan. After working my butt off in school, I'm graduating with my doctorate in May and I've managed to land an opportunity working at Harvard. My colleagues are impressed and my parents couldn't be more proud. However, this dream job has a drawback. The pay after looking further into the pay structure, I would have to be here for at least five years to make what I could be making in the for-profit space. I love the job and the struggle to get here was immense, but my extremely high student loans are not going away anytime soon. Should I ride the wave and try to capitalize on other opportunities on the side or should I stay here for a bit and when the market is right, go cash in at a for-profit? Thank you immensely. Mo Money Mo Problems.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:43:34] More like no money, more problems I guess in this situation. So the answer, of course, is that it depends. Is the Harvard pedigree something that will help your career? Is it a rite of passage? Is it a gatekeeper type situation? Is it something that you can leverage for an amazing private sector position later or is it just something that sounds good, it's going to make your parents proud? In other words, is this something that will lead to much more income later, like a law clerk position where when you're a lawyer, you go work for a judge, you don't get paid much, but then you come back and firms are really interested in you. Or is this just an ego thing? That's a hugely important question and that'll give you direction for the rest of this. If you think this will really be something you can leverage for the next gig, then focus on repaying your loans, starting with the highest interest rate possible and if they still allow it, defer the loans for a bit as well.

[00:44:29] Now option B is to go into something for a while, pay off a grip of cash on those loans and then go to Harvard and use that to boost your career. This all depends on whether Harvard is really a career springboard in your field or just looks fancy and makes your grandma proud. That question is where this all really begins because you might be patting yourself on the back, your parents might be really stoked. Is this something that's going to help your career or is it just, look, "I'm at Harvard." Because that's going to fade and your student loan bills are still going to be there. So you have to ask yourself that question. If it is really going to help your career, then stick it out. You can defer the loans or you can live really beneath your means for a long time and then get your pedigree in and then you can go cash in at a for-profit, pay off those loans. It's going to be tricky. You're starting to save money later. Your lifestyle is going to be lower for a while. Your loan repayments are going to take longer but that might be worth it. You have to balance that though and remove the idea that people are impressed by Harvard because that's going to fade after a couple of months and you're going to be stuck where you are financially, so make sure that you know what you're doing. That's what requires an honest answer to the question and then after that, you'll, your path will be much more clear. All right, next up.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:45:40] Hey, Triple J, longtime listener, first-time caller. I'm in my mid-20s and work as part of an in-house media team within a large organization of over 10,000 people. I've been in my current position for approximately 18 months and I think I may need to renegotiate my contract. Essentially my position description doesn't reflect the nature of my day to day work. According to my contract, I'm responsible for organizing all photography for the organization, booking talent, creating run sheets, and managing our enormous image library. However, since hiring my assistant, in reality, much of my time at least 70 percent is spent shooting and editing photo and video content. Content creation is something I love and an area in which I'm highly skilled, so I've been very happy to take on dozens of content creation projects. Some of which have taken me overseas alongside my management and organizational responsibilities. I've recently met resistance from upper management while seeking to formalize my daily content creation activities into my contract. I suspect this is because it would mean a significant pay increase of approximately $7,000 annually. I don't want to stop producing content, revert solely to management and organization of other people's work, but I also feel it's unfair for me to continue to do so without being fairly compensated. How do I approach a contract negotiation gracefully? Should I ditch the content creation until it's formally included in my contract? Is it even worth going into a negotiation at all or should I not ruffle any feathers and be grateful for the awesome job that I have at such an early stage in my career? Thanks for all that you do. Resistant Re-negotiator.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:47:10] In my opinion here, 18 months as long enough that you should be getting some kind of growth within the company. You have to ask in order to get what you want. No big surprise there. You need to spend time preparing for the negotiation, look into what the market rate is for what people are getting paid in similar positions. Gather up data on the projects you've been doing to prove the percentage of time that you spend on content creation for example, and then you'll want to be able to provide that to management during the negotiation process. You should also ask for a title increase as well, in my opinion. Now, sure, yes, you should be grateful for the job you're in and any negotiation should begin with you expressing this. That said, you're being taken advantage of possibly more in a benign neglect sort of way versus a malicious sort of way. They might just be like, "Oh, he's really good at this. Stack it on," and then when you say, "Hey look, I need to be compensated for this." They're like, "Ah, it's kind of part of your job. Can't take that long." You know, they might not know. The longer you let something like this ride though, the more you get things stacked on your plate that you then cannot get rid of. If you say, "Hey, I've been doing this as a favor for a while but it's not really in my job description." That's fine. Try doing that after a year. You know, they're going to go, "What are you talking about? You've been doing this for a year. You're the only guy that we have." I think you go into this one not saying, "I'm underpaid," but you go into it saying, "Look, I can only focus on one job and do it well. Do you want me for the content creation job or the management job? I'm happy to do one or both, but if it is both, I need a title bump and an increase in salary so that I can focus on doing that particular job or working on that particular set of jobs that requires more time." They should be behind this. Remember good companies want and need to retain their high performing talent. Silicon Valley does gymnastics to recruit and retain talent. They've got like kitchens and they've got food truck day and they've got the freaking slide in the office and they got the drainer there and you can borrow the bike and they got a massage guy. I mean --

Jason DeFillippo: [00:49:09] Trampolines for everybody.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:11] Exactly. And you owe and you can spend 10 percent of your time working on a random project like they do this because that's what it takes to get people to come work for you who are super high performing and have the ability to go elsewhere. And the other reason is it's really expensive to get someone in the door and retrain them to do the job that you're doing. And they know this, your manager knows this. And honestly, it's too expensive to lose you if they have you doing two jobs, you're more valuable than just one person. So make a huge list of things you've done, things you've accomplished so that you can prove ROI, return on investment, when you go into negotiating, show them all the things you've done. Contrast that with what you were doing before and how much more is happening in your current double role. Then re-express that you're in it for the long haul and once this is settled, you're off to the races. If they won't negotiate with you and they keep expecting you to do things that are not your job, start looking elsewhere because they don't respect you and they're taking advantage of you at that point. Hopefully, though management knows you're capable of doing this, which is why they're giving you the work in the first place, and they just kind of need a squeaky wheel to grease. Honestly, 7K not a lot for a company that large.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:23] No. It's a drop in the bucket.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:25] 10,000 employees. Holy moly.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:50:27] It's ridiculous, yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:27] I mean, they're just not that many companies that big. They've had catered lunches that cost more than that, I guarantee you.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:50:34] Yeah, yeah. probably several times a week.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:36] Yeah, so hopefully this is not going to be a huge issue. Best of luck with it. Keep in touch because honestly, they might be telling you that they don't respect your time. You just need to go in, negotiate, show them what you got. And if they're like, "No thanks." Then you can say, "Hey, just FYI, I'm out of here."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:50:56] Yeah. And sometimes what happens here is the human resources is the push back. They're the ones that are trying to save the company money because they worked for the company, not for the employees. And what you need to do is get your bosses on your side to go to bat for you. So if they know that you're doing great work, they're going to go up to HR and they're going to be your advocates. So make sure that your bosses are on your side because those guys don't have a vested interest in saving the company any money.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:20] No.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:51:21] It's human resources that are the enemy most of the time. So you want to be able to go up against them with, you know, your team on your side. So if your boss would say, "He's doing great work, look at all the new stuff that he's been doing and he's been underpaid for this long. We're getting a deal by giving him a raise right now because we've gotten all this other work out of him for basically what we were paying him before for the organizational job." So get your bosses on your side for sure.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:46] All right, next up.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:51:47] Hey, Triple J. I attend many events and get a lot of new contact info for people I meet. Usually, I send them an email saying where we met and ask them something related to how I know them and acknowledge their life is busy, so take whatever time they need to respond. The problem is that the majority of people don't respond. Even after they asked me to contact them when they gave me their info. Others might respond with something once saying, "Let's connect," but when I send the next email asking when and where is good for them, the conversation stops. Not everyone does this and it makes attempting to connect others together and even more difficult tasks if I don't know that they are even getting my message. The problem occurs with people I want to make friends with as well. I'll get phone numbers and they will hardly or never respond. What am I doing wrong? Am I expecting too much of people? The people I network with tend to be very busy people with heavy inboxes. Should I send another email and hope that one of them will reach the person? I get that it's an easy way to obtain more attention by helping people, but how can I find out what they need help with when I can't start or continue a conversation? Signed, Tired of Being Ghosted.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:48] This is a common issue for sure. And part of this is that people are lazy AF. And if you don't know what AF means, then yeah, you can Google it. People convince themselves they're overwhelmed with all the stuff they do. And when many, honestly, most of these people are just disorganized. They're not very considerate. They're just not really -- conscientious is the word I'm looking for. Conscientious.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:53:13] Conscientious AF.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:13] Conscientious AF. Yeah. That's the cold truth here. I get thousands of emails. I reply to all of them. It takes me a while, but I reply to all of them. Someone who gets three dozen emails in a week thinks the sky is falling. They're going to get zero sympathy from me. "Oh, I got so many things to do because I checked my email and then I go, "Ew, I don't want to answer this right now. And then I watch Netflix and then I got to walk my dog while I listen to Spotify." I mean people always think they're busier than they are. It's ridiculous. Anyway --

Jason DeFillippo: [00:53:40] I get maybe 150 emails a day. I respond to all of them. But what kills me is when people connect with you on LinkedIn, they send you a personal message, you reply to them and then they ghost you.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:51] That's been happening a lot. I think there's bot out there that people are using.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:53:55] Yeah, it's crazy. It's so annoying. It's so annoying. So I sympathize with Tired of Being Ghosted.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:54:00] Yeah, it's "Hey blah blah blah blah." "Oh, I never checked LinkedIn." "Then why did you --" So you're expecting a lot of people. Yes. You are expecting a lot from people, but you're not expecting too much and what you're seeing here is the filtering process in action. Yes. A lot of people are going to be like, "Oh, I'm not answering. Oh, I'm lazy. Oh, sorry. Just saw this dude." It's a text message. I know you didn't just see this. Give me a break.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:54:26] It said red and it tells me the date and the time.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:54:29] Right.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:54:29] I know you didn't just see this.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:54:30] You replied to it. Yeah. That kind of thing. So this filters out people who are just not going to be courteous. They're not prioritizing your relationship, et cetera. That's what's supposed to happen. Yes. It can be a disappointing number of people that actually follow through on what they say they're going to do. That's how I met Gabriel. He and I met in LA and he goes, "Wow, you're here." Because I called to confirm with him and I was like, "Are we still doing lunch tomorrow?" And he's like, "Yeah, of course." And I was like, "Oh okay." And then the morning of I was like, "Still on for lunch." And he's like, "Yeah, dude, why?" And I'm like, "Because it's LA and nobody ever does anything they say they're going to do and I just wanted to make sure that you are actually going to be there if I show up."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:55:11] Yup.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:55:11] So I get the people are busy and you can email a few times. You let them know, you realize they're busy, et cetera. So you don't look pathetic chasing them. You know like, "Hey, I realize you're busy. Just wanted to circle back on this. I know we wanted to connect and get lunch."

Jason DeFillippo: [00:55:23] Don't be needy.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:55:24] Don't be needy. After that though, you know, a couple of reminders, whatever. Phone numbers are better than email. So always try to get phone numbers and text people for logistics. It'll be better. You can say, "What's the best way to reach you? Is phone or email the best?" And a lot of people would be like, "Email is good." Or what I do is I go, "Here, take my number." And a lot of people are like, "Ah, okay." And sometimes they're probably like, "Oh shoot, I didn't want to give the number." I don't care. I'm fine with that. I discussed some of the logistics of follow up and making sure that people recommit in Six-Minute Networking, jordanharbinger.com/courses where you can find Six-Minute Networking. Again, it's free. The response rate there will be higher than normal if you use the techniques from that course. And you're right, the best way is to help people. The way to do this is to figure out their needs. Then use what's called the briefcase technique. And I've actually got Ramit Sethi here on the show. He's going to bring us through this particular tactic, which is super effective in my experience. So here we go.

Ramit Sethi: [00:56:24] All right. The briefcase technique is one of my favorite techniques. People use it to get jobs that they might not even be qualified for on paper. They use it to raise their rates as freelancers and they use it to get in touch with busy people and connect with them and often get jobs. So what is it? It's called the briefcase technique because it involves a little bit of theatricality, which I love. And the concept is when most people apply for jobs or they try to network with someone, they basically all do it the same and they all do it wrong. They're like, "Hey man, I'd like a job. Here's my resume." It's like you and 10,000 other people just did that. You already lost. You don't even know it. Same thing with networking. They're like, "Hey, I really loved your article. Any chance we can talk and I can pick your brain?" It's like that person got 10 of those emails in the last hour. So you already lost there too. But imagine you did something different. Imagine you were applying for a job. I'm going to give you that example first. And you did a little research, you listened to the interviews that the CEO has given in the last two months, and the CEO might mention you, we have a real focus on retention right now. That's a big thing for us. And then you search retention and the name of the company. And then you talk to somebody from LinkedIn who used to work there and you say, "Hey, would you mind spending 10 minutes on the phone? I'm thinking about applying. I'd love to know what it's like there." You ask him, "Are they focused on retention? Is there something that I can help with?"

[00:57:44] And by the time you go to apply for that job, you've already spoken to multiple people at the company. You've listened to the CEO's interviews, you walk in, whether it's through your cover letter or when you get the interview and you say, I understand that retention is one of the core challenges in the business. I took the liberty of speaking to a couple of people who used to work here and a couple of people that currently do. Joe and Nancy and they mentioned that I should talk to you. Here's a couple of things I would do in my first 30, 60, and 90 days." This is where the briefcase comes in. Now, you can literally have a briefcase if you have one and pull it out or you can pull it out of your backpack. It doesn't matter. The point is it's actually very theatrical. Boom. You put this piece of paper down, three or four pages and you say, "Goal increase retention by 10 percent. Here are some of the projects I would do. Here's what another company has done. Here's what my objectives would be and here's how you would measure it." Hand it to the manager.

Ramit Sethi: [00:58:42] Jordan, what do you think that manager's going to do as they are reading this page?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:58:46] Well, first of all, he's going to be like, "What the hell? This is the next level applicant. Circle it in gold, whatever.

Ramit Sethi: [00:58:53] Yeah, A plus. "Here's the job. How much do you want to make?" It sounds crazy because people, the first thing they'll say is like, "Where am I going to get all this information? Isn't it presumptuous to assume I know?" Well, that's why you need to do your research. You need to speak to people. You need to really understand the challenges, but I will tell you that your competition is not doing this. Right, so you are instantly setting yourself apart.

[00:59:14] Now, I want to give you a second example. Let's say that you're trying to network and meet somebody who you really like. You want to build a relationship with. I'll give you my own example. If you were to follow me on social media, on Twitter, on Instagram, et cetera, you would see that I'm starting to do more with my Instagram channel. I'm doing personal stuff. I'm doing video, I'm selling some of my courses there. There's a lot of stuff I'm not really good at like my images. They're okay. My videos, I'm not that great, but I get a lot of people who are awesome at video. Like it comes naturally to me. It doesn't come naturally to me. If I were a talented video editor and I'm not saying so I get free video help, I'm not asking for that, but I'm showing you how I would think about it. I would do what somebody named Charlie Hoehn did for me years ago.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:00] Oh, right, Charlie, yeah.

Ramit Sethi: [01:00:00] He came to me and he said, "Hey Ramit, I noticed you're starting to use YouTube more. I went ahead and fixed your video for you. I re-edited it for you. Here is the file and I made it more efficient and it's cooler and I put some images on it. If you'd like to talk, here's my phone number. I'd love to help you out in some other ways." I called that guy like five minutes and I ended up working with him and later introducing him to Tim Ferriss. So you can do it for free. I am actually a big fan of free work. You can show a sample and do it for pay. It's up to you. But the way to stand out is to not just tell people what you would do, but show them and you can find out what people are interested in by just following them and really critically analyzing what they're spending time on.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:00:42] Yeah, this makes sense. In fact, somebody just did this to me today. I was like, "Hey Kyler, how are you doing?" That's not his real name but screw it. He did a good job. And he's like, "Oh yeah, I'm just doing stuff and marketing for a couple of clients," and he's like, "By the way, I know you probably didn't want me to do this, so I apologize." He apologized for doing it. He goes, "I looked at your Facebook and I realize you're not really doing this really basic thing." He goes, "Yeah, do you want to talk tomorrow?" I was like, "Yeah."

Ramit Sethi: [01:01:06] Exactly.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:06] So we have a call tomorrow where I'm literally just going to hire this guy.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:10] So I love it and let's say that you're like, "Hey, I don't have all that client work. How do I go to Jordan?" Well, the answer is don't go straight to Jordan.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:17] Right.

Ramit Sethi: [01:01:18] You don't go to the Olympics first. Find somebody else, start off with somebody smaller. There's a lot of entrepreneurs who would love to get a little bit of free help. Prove that you can help with them, then move your way up, and eventually when you're really good, then you're ready to make the asks for Jordan. That's how you do it.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:35] That's a good point. A lot of people will go like, "Oh Hey, I make messenger bots." And I'm like, "I don't know you. Who have you worked with?" "No one." "Ew, too risky." But if you come and you say, "I'm making Alexa skills," like this one dude did, and I go, "Oh cool. Who do you work with?" "I work with this guy and this guy, but I've also been listening to your show for six years. Here are the exact things I would put in there." I'm like, "You can totally do that."

Ramit Sethi: [01:01:54] Another great example of showing, not telling.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:01:57] Yeah.

Ramit Sethi: [01:01:57] There's a lot of talkers online, but when you can show what you would do or better yet you just do it, you instantly separate yourself into the top one percent.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:02:05] Thanks for Ramit. All right. Last but not least,

Jason DeFillippo: [01:02:08] J, J, and J. I'm writing to get your perspective on starting a new relationship. Well, in an awkward stage of my life, I'm in my mid-30s just finished my PhD, but I'm changing career direction by stepping into the private sector and live in a good-sized European city where I can get by in the language, but I'm not impressing the natives with my skills. I feel like a man-child, on one hand, I have letters after my name signifying accomplishment and I'm at an age when many people are settling into careers as well as first homes with partners and are having children. On the other hand, I'm living in student housing and starting near the bottom of the hierarchy in my new career track and I'm alone since my recent relationship of two-plus years just ended. I've always been a serial monogamist and I've had five long-term committed relationships. Having a lover has always been important to me and losing them is always devastating. Meeting new people to start new relationships has been easier in the past in school and then in academia. Many people are expats and have similar experiences to draw upon. Now, I'm out in the real world where I find myself swiping right naps, showing me women 10 years' my junior, and I'm unsurprisingly not getting matches. Even if I do get a match from these platforms, I realized I feel ashamed of where I am in my life and I would have a hard time explaining myself to a woman I'm interested in. Should I get my housing and career in order before I pursue a new romance or should I go after it all simultaneously? If I take the first option, who knows if I'll ever feel the self-assurance I think I'm lacking now and if I do, then I may be aged out of the option of building a family. If I take the second option, I suspect it will be difficult to find someone who can identify with my circumstances or at least will not think little of me for not having come further by this age. Thanks for your tips. Signed, Restarting Over Again.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:03:53] So the problem here, if he waits until he feels good, not only are you going to be aged out of the option, you might never have enough sort of self-esteem to jump into that. This is not just caused by your circumstances. Part of it is for sure. Obviously, the pros are if you start getting your housing in order and your career in order, you'll feel a little bit better. You'll be better able to provide, you might feel a little bit more secure. The cons are you're going to be too old and it's going to take you a really long time to do it and you're not getting any practice right now in relationships, which actually concerns me.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:04:28] Yeah, definitely.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:29] Because the longer you kind of get rusty, and I don't just mean your game is getting rusty, but like you build your life around not sharing it with anyone, the more difficult it is and the more unlikely it is honestly to change that.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:04:43] Those skills atrophy.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:04:44] Yeah, they atrophied and you get set in your ways and we tend to not be growing as quickly as we are with a partner. There's a whole lot of things that can be sort of difficult about that. I would say if you go after it now, don't expect the person that you meet next to be the one, but I think you need to be dating, putting yourself out there. So what if you date younger people or if you date older people, it doesn't really matter. You know you don't have to be looking for the one right now. I think just enjoying yourself, having fun in the meantime, building that social skill set. There's something there, but don't just latch on to the next relationship. I know that you're a serial monogamist, you've had long-term committed relationships, losing them is always devastating.

[01:05:25] It sounds like maybe you're relying a lot on other people for your sense of identity, not just your circumstances, not just your career, but the other person. And I know that it's easier to meet people in the past. I think you can meet plenty of people now. I think you're just feeling really insecure and not centered in where you are not grounded in where you are right now. And I get that. I get that being on uneasy footing is not easy, but I don't think the solution is to crawl in a hole and wait for better days.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:05:52] He's 30 . It's not over the hill.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:05:55] Mid-30s but still not too old. You're not 55 and you're going, "I'm unemployed." I mean, you're a PhD and you're in the mid-30s. You're fine.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:06:06] Yeah, totally. I would definitely just, you know, follow what Jordan said and get back out there and get those muscles going.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:06:12] That's right. Yeah, because don't worry, you're not going to be aged out. You can have kids when you're 55 if you want to, you'll just be an old dad. And even if you are 55 and you were in this situation, you'd be fine. You just need to get back on your feet. When it comes to this, I know that you're swiping right, you're not finding the right people in your network. You need to get settled where you are and build a social circle and worry about that more than you're worried about dating. A lot of people worry about dating when what they should be worrying about is making friends and building social connections. That comes first and that will help insulate you from relying on your partner too much for your sense of self-worth as well. Because if you are relying on your partner for all of your social activity, that's when everything is devastating because you're completely alone when that ends. So if you have a social circle and that's healthy, you'll be meeting plenty of people and you'll be bringing them into a world that you're already kind of a part of instead of relying on them to be your entire world, which is a lot of pressure for anyone and puts a lot of strain on the relationship as well.

[01:07:13] All right, Life Pro Tip. A lot of people go, "Well, look, I can't afford all these great clothes. I want to up my style. I want to make sure that I look good, but I don't want to spend a lot of money on this." You can save your money on clothes. The trick is finding a good tailor. A well-fitting wardrobe of thrift store finds is fine. If you've got old clothes that don't fit anymore, have them tailored down. That looks much better in person than most high-end clothing that's off the rack. It's all about getting a good fit. It doesn't really matter -- it's all about cut and fit. It's far less about the name on the label, of course, even the material can matter less. You can find some good quality used stuff and then just have it form-fitted to you and you'll be great. You'll be good. So that's a tip. I did a lot of that in my 20s and 30s. I didn't want to go out and buy a really expensive, nice stuff. So I'd go and I'd find a leather jacket from Salvation Army or just a cool vintage store. Go to a leatherworker and be like, "This thing is bulky and looks like it was crafted in the '50s because it was for somebody that was heavier than me." And they'll be like, "Cool," taking the back measure, you cut you. Then I got like this amazing piece of a vintage jacket and I remember guys telling me at the gym, this guy goes, "Yeah, I got a lot of jackets like that. I'm a big leather jacket guy. Just bought some that look just like that. It was a great find." And I was like, "Oh yeah." And he goes, "How much do you pay for that? Like $2,500." And I was like, "I'm more like $25." And he could not believe it. He was like, "What?" I was like, "Yeah I paid I think like 80 bucks for the jacket realistically and took it to the leatherworker tailor whatever."

Jason DeFillippo: [01:08:51] Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:08:51] And I paid him like 200 bucks. Because it was a leather jacket. So I spent like 300 bucks for this custom-fitted vintage leather jacket and that dude spent 10 times as much money on his.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:09:02] Yeah. That's a way to do it, man. And you know, look for really good clothes from fat people because then you can always cut them down.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:08] Yeah. Oh, that guy had spent $2,700 on a leather jacket and didn't have it tailored. This is just a vintage jacket. Yeah. So he was like, dang. You know, he couldn't believe it. So if you're willing to put in the time and have the tailor do it. Go to the tailor with all the stuff that doesn't fit that you still like and just be like, "How much for all this?" And they'll usually cut you a nice deal because they're trying to find work. A lot of these guys, they're trying to find stuff to do, depending on the city you're in. So if they were going to charge you 30 bucks for a t-shirt, maybe they'll charge you 20 and you can get a bunch of different shirts tailored and a bunch of pants tailored.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:09:42] Yeah. A lot of people don't go to tailors anymore, so you can definitely get a deal if you go in, and just want to be a long-term client with a lot of stuff, you can definitely get a good deal.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:52] Yeah. And a lot of tailors are busy making suits and stuff and they've got an apprentice just standing there.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:09:56] Yep.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:09:57] And they're helping a little bit, but a lot of times it'll be like, "Hey, you can do all this stuff."

Jason DeFillippo: [01:10:01] Yeah. And it's not difficult.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:10:02] The other option is you don't have to go to a professional tailor. If you can find somebody who's skilled and you're not talking about taking in a leather jacket, you're talking more about hemming and cutting some pants to fit. You can probably go to pretty much any woman or man who's trained as a seamstress. You don't have to go to a professional suit tailor.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:10:22] Yeah, I've had my jeans hemmed for like 10 bucks, you know, super cheap.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:10:27] You'd be surprised. I've found that our housekeeper's friends and family, they'll take stuff and they'll be like, sure. Because they're sewing up their kids' clothes. They're just as qualified for what I need. It's really not that complex and it looks so much better.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:10:43] Recommendation of the Week. Jason, this one's yours.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:10:45] Yeah, you put it in here and over the past two nights and damn you for this one. It's the Kindness Diaries.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:10:51] Nice.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:10:52] On Netflix. And I watched Season Two and I binged it for the past two nights. I got like half the first night, half the second night. And I think I got like maybe three hours of sleep last night because it's a great little series and they're like 21 minutes long, so I'm probably going to butcher. This guy's name is Leon Logothetis.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:11:11] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:11:12] And he goes around the world and he's in Season Two. He's traveling from Alaska to Argentina and he does it completely on the kindness of others. So he doesn't pay for gas, he doesn't pay for food, and he doesn't pay for lodging the entire way down. And it's addictive. It's an addictive happy show. And I just got completely sucked up in it and watched the entire Second Season in two nights and I am completely sleep-deprived. So thank you very much Jordan for that.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:11:42] You're welcome.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:11:42] But it's a great show. It's a great show.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:11:44] Yeah. We really want to get him on the show as well, so hopefully, that's in the works and just seems like a really interesting trek. I wish I'd thought of this to just travel around the world based on kindness. Although I do wonder, where do you sleep when you don't find somebody?

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:01] In his car.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:02] I know that sucks.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:02] He is traveling. It sucks even more because he's traveling in a 1971 VW Bug.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:07] Oh my God.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:08] And he doesn't look like a small dude.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:10] And like where do you eat? You have to always beg for food.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:13] You're not begging. You're just asking.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:15] True.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:15] And I got to say that, you know I wish I had the chutzpah to do what he does because he walks up to everybody and says -- and 90 percent of the trip it's like, "Do you speak English? Do you speak English?" When he finds somebody that speaks English, he's like, "Jackpot. I could actually ask you if I can have some food and a place to stay."

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:30] Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:31] What I want to know is how long does he get stuck at gas stations waiting for somebody to come along so that he can get them to buy him a tank of gas?

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:39] Yeah. Put that question in the show notes because I'm like how much time are you spending just wandering around in the rain?

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:45] Yeah, because --

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:46] Homeless basically.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:47] Exactly. He's like begging. Just say, "Hey, I'm on this great journey. Can you help me? Can you help me?"

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:53] Yeah. It must help to have a camera next to you.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:12:56] Yes.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:12:58] Because I've had people ask me for that stuff when I'm traveling and I'm like, "No bro."

Jason DeFillippo: [01:13:02] Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:02] But if somebody came up and was like here's a boom arm, a camera, and a PA, that's like, "Do you mind if we film you?" And then it's like, "Hi, can I stay at your house?" It's like, "Well, no." But then other times it's like, "Well okay I'm going to be on TV."

Jason DeFillippo: [01:13:15] Exactly. You come with the whole crew.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:17] Exactly. Nice big Netflix sticker on their video camera.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:13:21] And here's the deal. If you're like a kid and you're out there right now, like trying to like bum gas money, get your friends a clipboard, get him a fake old video camera and then you just fake the whole thing and then you're probably going to be more likely to actually get some gas money.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:34] Yeah, the boom arm with like a little fuzzy fake microphone at the end.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:13:38] Yup, totally.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:38] $600 in accessories, but free gas.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:13:42] I think he could fake it for 50 bucks. You could totally fake it.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:13:45] Don't scam people though, peeps. Don't scam people, folks. Hope you all enjoyed that. I want to thank everyone that wrote in this week. Don't forget, you can email us at friday@jordanharbinger.com. We'll get your questions answered on the air. We will always keep you anonymous. A link to the show notes for this episode can be found at jordanharbinger.com.

[01:14:03] Quick shout out to Mark Serratore. I think it's just Serratore, probably by now, but originally it was that. He got a prison pen pal for a college course 10 years ago and he's still in touch with the prisoner. And my story about going to the maximum-security prison last week reminded him of that. And I plan on doing more with the prison. So stay tuned for more on that.

[01:14:25] Go back and check out the guests, Lisa Lampanelli and Naveen Jain if you haven't yet. And if you want to know how I managed to book all these great people, manage my relationships using systems and tiny habits with hundreds/thousand plus amazing people. Check out our Six-Minute Networking course, which is free. It's over at jordanharbinger.com/course. This course replaces the old course. I had one called Level One. This new course Six-Minute Networking has a bunch of upgraded drills. There's new tech in there. I left Advanced Human Dynamics. I no longer have anything to do with Level One or Advanced Human Dynamics FYI and do it now. Go to jordanharbinger.com/course. Don't wait because the problem is that we're not able to make up for the lost time when it comes to relationships and when it comes to networking. The number one mistake people make, I see this with entrepreneurs, I see it with students, you all postpone this and you don't dig the well before you get thirsty. And once you need these relationships, you're too late. And look, it's called Six-Minute Networking because these videos are short, the drills are short. It's a type of thing that you can ignore only at your own peril. And it's at jordanharbinger.com/course. I'm on Instagram and Twitter at @JordanHarbinger. It's a great way to engage with the show. Jason.

Jason DeFillippo: [01:15:29] My personal website is at jpd.me and you can check out my awesome tech podcast, Grumpy Old Geeks at gog.show or your podcast player of choice.

Jordan Harbinger: [01:15:37] This show is produced in association with PodcastOne and this episode was co-produced by Jen Harbinger. Show notes for the episode are by Robert Fogarty. Keep sending in those questions to friday@jordanharbinger.com. And remember, we rise by lifting others, so share the show with those you love and even those you don't. Lots more in the pipeline. Very excited for upcoming guests in shows. And in the meantime, do your best to apply what you hear on the show, so you can live what you listen, and we'll see you next time.

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