Your dad is a pedophile. He’s taken naked pictures of kids, including one of your cousins on your mom’s side, and posted them online. He’s been caught by the police, but he’s been let go on some kind of probation.

You don’t know how to handle the situation. For some context, You’re a high functioning autistic person. You’re able to live on your own, take care of yourself, and hold down a full time job, but you have a lot of problems making and maintaining friendships and you have enough sensory issues that you don’t like to leave your house any more than you need to.

On the one hand, it would be a great relief to you if you never had to see or hear from your parents again. On the other hand, the number of people in your support network is already quite small, and you wouldn’t want to lose contact with your sister, who has very severe mental health problems and is still living at home. What should you do?

This is pretty dark and heavy territory, but we’ll do our best to offer some real advice on this and much more in this Feedback Friday.

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  • Your significant other paid for you to attend college and supported you financially as you started out in your career. Now that you’re on track financially, you’re having relationship issues. How should money factor into a situation like this?
  • Years ago, your mother and sister found out your father was having affairs with multiple women. It was devastating at the time, but you all eventually moved on when he agreed to stop. Today, you saw him with one of those women. How do you handle this?
  • Your dad is a convicted pedophile on probation. You’re a high-functioning autistic person living on your own who would love to never see your parents again, but you don’t want to lose contact with your sister who still lives at home. What can you do?
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Transcript for My Dad Is a Pedophile | Feedback Friday (Episode 298)

Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:03] Welcome to Feedback Friday. I’m your host Jordan Harbinger and I’m here with producer Jason DeFillippo. On The Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills, the world’s most brilliant and interesting people, and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you.

[00:00:19] This week we had Tasha Eurich on self-awareness and how we can generate more of it, what to do if we’re not self-aware, and the consequences of being less self-aware in our careers and home life, of course how to get other people to be more self-aware. That’s a big one from that episode and I think a lot of us are into that. We also had Eric Thomas, the hip hop preacher. He went from homeless to PhD to become one of the world’s top motivational speakers. And normally, I’m not into motivational speakers, you all know that. But this guy, he’s got great energy. It’s a fun conversation to start off the year.

[00:00:50] I also write every so often on the blog. The latest post is about how to ask for advice in the right way. I get a lot of bad advice requests, and that’s what spurred the creation of this piece. So if you want to learn how to ask for implementing advice or what to do if you get asked for advice in a way that’s not very constructive, you can point people to this piece. That’s one of the reasons that I created it. Make sure you’ve had a look and a listen to everything we created this week. The articles are at

[00:01:17] Of course, our primary mission here on The Jordan Harbinger Show is to pass along our guests and our own insights and experiences along to you. In other words, the real purpose of the show is to have conversations directly with you. That’s what we do today and every Friday, here on Feedback Friday. I want to place one brick in the structure that makes up your life. That’s really what the whole show is about. You can reach us at

[00:01:40] I’m going to prison for my birthday. A lot of you know that already, February 26, well 25 and 26, in Reno. The experience is an educational program for inmates, and this is their graduation. It’s going to be a lot of fun. We’re going to help people who are incarcerated and ready to get out of that situation, some who are not getting out candidly, but it’s a lot of fun. It’s really rewarding. It’s life-changing. You will laugh. You’ll laugh a lot. You’ll cry. I guarantee you that in a way that’s not sort of self-helpy and weird and awkward. It’s just a great way to interact with people that are frankly segregated from the rest of society, and it’s fascinating. We’ve got a group of about 60 so far, so it’s a big group. There are a few spots left. We’re going to cut it off soon, but I wanted to give people who didn’t know if they were going to be able to go until this year, time to book. And if you are interested, email me at

[00:02:33] Again, 900 bucks plus travel, but the hotel is like, it’s literally 50 bucks. Reno is not expensive. The flight, that’s of course on you as well. The hotel is cheap, and by the way, that 900 that is for the educational program. I’m not making any money on this. The prison’s not taking it and putting it in their coffers. It’s for the educational organization that we’re partnered with, which is called Hustle 2.0. So if you want to go, if you heard about this on our show or on Tim Ferriss Show, this is that program. I’d love to bring you. Email me and come join us for my 40th birthday behind bars, February 25th and 26th in Reno, Nevada. That’s 2020 by the way, so if you’re listening to this in 2021 you’ve missed it.

[00:03:14] All right, Jason. Interesting Feedback Friday as always, some doozies in here, but some fun ones. I’m excited. What’s the first thing that we got?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:03:21] Dear Jordan and crew, my significant other paid for me to attend college and supported me financially as I started out in my career. I’m finally starting to get on track financially, but we’re having relationship issues. Truth be told, the issues have probably been brewing for a while but had been more in the forefront lately. The issues are unrelated to money, but part of me feels like I owe it to my partner to make things work because of all the money I’ve accepted over the years. How should money factor into things in a situation like this? Signed, Not Sure if I’m In Debt.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:52] I assume by relationship problems you mean you’re thinking of breaking up with your partner. Yikes. Okay. Well, first things first, do not stay with someone out of obligation. It breeds resentment. It wastes both of your time. If you’re going to break up, just break up, but if you’re going to do that, you have to pay them back. Even if you don’t, you should probably pay back your partner. I mean, if you get married, it doesn’t really matter, but there’s an implied or explicit promise here to pay that person back. I don’t know if you have a formal agreement. I assume it’s just kind of implied. That’s legit. You still have to do that. It’s not your fault that relationship issues cropped up, but that doesn’t change the person that you are. So you could probably get away with not paying them back, but that would make you a crappy person that would make you a bad person for real. I think that’s dishonest. I think that’s a way to burn a bridge if it’s not already burned. And even if you guys are fighting and you guys don’t get along, I don’t think you should say, “Well, screw it. They already hate me. I’m not going to pay him back.”

[00:04:50] Defaulting on obligations like this or not defaulting but blatantly screwing someone over like this, it’s bad for you. It’s not just bad for them. I know this sounds like something your grandma would say, but it’s actually bad for your psychology to screw someone over. It changes who you think you are. It changes your identity in a negative way. So don’t do that. Don’t do that to yourself. Don’t do that to them. Set up automatic payments to take money out of every paycheck. If you’re getting paid $1,000 every two weeks, set up automatic payments with your bank, with Chase or whoever, it’ll take 100 bucks out every paycheck. Put it in a separate checking account. The checking account should be free, and then you don’t have to even think about it. You never see the money.

[00:05:28] This should start ASAP. Don’t wait. Don’t do it later because you got something going right now. Start doing it immediately and you don’t keep the money. You send them checks regularly. You don’t say, as soon as it’s all there, I’ll give it to you. They’re never going to see it and they’re going to think you’re screwing him over. Give them a regular payment and before paying them back though, get a firm number on the amount owed. This is going to be tricky. It’ll be tuition at least plus living expenses. If they didn’t track it, you’re going to have to do some math. It doesn’t really matter though. You have to agree on this. It won’t be cheap. It’ll take a long time to repay round-up and be more generous with the amount that you owe. Don’t get taken advantage of, of course, but roundup. Make sure you agree on the amount because if you send them 100 bucks and you’re like, “Yeah, it’s going to take me a year to pay this off at this rate.” They’re going to go, “What are you talking about? You owe me twice as much.” So then they’re going to still be mad, even though you paid them back. You need to agree on the amount. That way you have a clean bill, you have a clear conscience. If you don’t have an agreement in place, they’re going to be pissed no matter what you pay them and you’re then going to have wasted your time and your money. Make sure you know both the total and the monthly payment amount and stick to it. Pretend this is your student loans. Do you just have a great interest rate of approximately zero?

[00:06:38] If you’re really uncomfortable with this, you can take loans from friends and family, repay your ex right away, and then repay your friends and family instead. You can just explain the situation to them. People will be understanding. That way, they’re paid off. You don’t have to deal with them. It rips off the Band-Aid. You can limit contact. Whatever you need to do. Don’t take a bank loan though, if you can avoid it. If you really don’t get along with them. Friends and family aren’t an option. You can take a bank loan, but I would avoid this because bank loans have far less flexibility. They’re harder to get. If you say, “Hey, I can’t pay this month.” They’re going to bring the hammer down on you. They’re also going to charge you interest because of the risk. It’s more expensive. It’s less convenient, it’s less flexible. So avoid that if at all possible.

[00:07:18] Make sure you calculate properly and you have the ability to service other debts with high-interest rates. Let’s see, you’ve got a car payment or a credit card bill, and you’re paying that down as well. You should not agree to paying them 250 a month and you’ve also got to pay your credit card 250 a month and now you can’t eat or you can’t pay your rent. You’ve got to take everything into consideration. And if they say, “Oh, you’re only going to pay me a hundred bucks every two weeks, this is garbage, it’s going to take you three years.” Then you can show them. “Hey, look, I’ve got this credit card. I’ve got this car, I’ve got this rent. This is all I can afford. I’m not just being a cheap a-hole who’s dragging you through the mud. This is all I got.”

[00:07:57] Paying debts back is a basic expectation of a functional adult. I’m glad you realize this. I’m not saying you don’t. I think it’s great that you’re thinking about this. It doesn’t matter who the person is, your ex, somebody you don’t like, somebody who screwed you over in some other way. The only people who screw over other people like this. And just take off with the money because they don’t care and they’re not together anymore. Those are people that have no self-respect to maintain. In the end, yeah, they might keep the money, but as Pollyanna as this might sound, they’re only cheating themselves. You will feel worse if you treat people poorly, and I don’t think you can rationalize your way out of this one. Look. If your ex stole your car and embezzled a bunch of money from your business, okay, they owe you. Don’t pay them back for college, but if they were nice enough to do this, don’t sit there and go, “Oh, well, you know what? She never gave me a birthday present, so it’s like a birthday present for the last three years. I’m keeping it.” Don’t do that to yourself. Don’t do that to them. It’s just bad. I hate this word. It’s just bad karma, but it’s bad for your psychology. Trust me. You will feel terrible doing this.

[00:08:59] Congrats on graduating and make sure you get that payback. I don’t think it’ll be any skin off your nose. And by the way, when you’re done, you’re going to feel like a million bucks. All right. What’s next?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:09:08] Hi, Jordan and team. Back when I was a teenager, my mother and sister found out that my father was having an affair with multiple women. This devastated my family. We felt hurt, angry, and lost trust in him. Eventually, it all came to an explosive fight. The night we confronted my dad by showing him the text and call history we had as evidence. All I can remember at that point was a lot of yelling from my mother and sister about his betrayal. My reaction was also to get angry and yell at him. I even got physical and threw a few punches at him after that. He didn’t stay at the house for a bit but eventually came back home. We all moved on and he agreed to stop what he was doing. Fast forward to today, well, I was doing errands in town. I saw my dad driving with one of the women he had an affair with. I don’t know how long this has been going on and whether I was trying to ignore my suspicions like him taking phone calls in his car in secret. I don’t know how to handle this. I’m in my mid 20s living at home while working a full-time job. I feel like it’s not right for my dad to keep this affair going. Spending time and resources on this other woman and acting like it’s okay for him to come back home to mom. My parents’ relationship isn’t perfect. My father gets verbally abusive with my mom, and I’d say sadly, that he’s an alcoholic. I’m not sure how I should go about discussing this with my sister and my mom. Both of them can get easily reactive, but even they’ve been noticing how my dad’s been out of the house more often. Any advice on how I should handle this rough situation? Hell, do I need therapy? Thanks, Dealing With a Dumb Ass Dad.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:35] Yuck. This is heavy. I feel bad that you have to deal with this. It’s just a mess. You’re right. But you have to extricate everyone from this situation. It seems like it’s a long time coming and it’s done a lot of damage. You should get a therapist first and dive into your own stuff before trying to solve family issues like this. I don’t mean, “Wow, look at you. You’re a giant mess. You can’t help anyone else.” What I mean is. You can’t really go into this thinking, “Oh, this hasn’t really affected me. I mean, I’m a little annoyed, but it’s mostly my mom.” No, no, no. Your dad’s been having an affair. He’s an alcoholic. You’ve got stuff you probably don’t even realize that you need to deal with. Deal with that stuff. While you’re doing this. Get a therapist and start doing that. Trust me. This will help you maintain sanity. Also, you’ll have an outlet of a trusted therapist if things get crazy at home because you don’t know. He might not be like, “You’re right. I’m an alcoholic and I’ve been having an affair. I’ll just move out. It’s fine.” Ish is going to get heated, right? If they’re already fighting and he’s emotionally abusive and all this other stuff, why is he going to take this lying down and then what are you going to do? Lean on your mom? Lean on your siblings? I don’t know. You should have a therapist who has seen this before, knows what to do, can give you some self-care ideas and help you maintain your sanity.

[00:11:50] Your call and bringing this up to mom and sister. If you do it, do so individually and test the waters so that one’s reaction doesn’t incite the other. You don’t want to bring this up to them both. They’re sitting on the couch and then the mom freaks out and then your sister is like, “Guess, I’m just going to freak out too.” You want to ideally get your sister on your side or your mom on your side first. Get on the same page. And then bring this to the attention of the other party. That way everyone’s on the same page. It’s not a three-way argument where everyone’s getting pissed off or worse. They gang up on you.

[00:12:23] Your dad sounds miserable and lost. He’s not a great example, but you knew that you can’t control how your parents’ relationship goes. You can’t control how other people react to what you do. What you can do is make sure that you’re taking care of yourself and your sanity before addressing stuff like this. So you need to have a base, right? Of course. It’s like a cliche. “I can’t control how other people react.” What you need is a base though, because if everybody else goes haywire and goes crazy and you’re like, I need to move out. At least you have a therapist who’s telling you, “Hey. You should move out.”

[00:12:57] I was in a gnarly situation, I don’t even know now, years and years ago, and my therapist at the time was like, “Hey, you should move out.” And I went, “Oh, I can’t because A, B, C, D, E, F, G,” and she’s like, “Yeah, I mean, are you sure you’re not just staying comfortable?” And I was like, “Oh crap.” She got me on that one. I’m just staying in a mess because moving out sounds complex. I moved out overnight. I was like a different person. It was within two weeks. I went back to my therapist and she goes, “You’re a completely different person sitting across from me. I can’t believe it. How long have you been moved out?” “Two weeks.” And it was like just sleeping better, eating better, went back to the gym. It was night and day getting out of that environment, and that’s probably not going to be shocking for most of you, but I’m sure right now you’ve got a million reasons. “Oh, I just have this job and I have debt and I’m student loans. Million reasons why I can’t move out. My mom needs me and my sister needs me.” You’re doing this in your head right now. I’m not advising you to move out. I think your therapist might, but you need somebody who is a neutral third party who sees what’s going on and can give you quality advice that you trust and that you’ll listen to.

[00:13:59] Last but not least, have a concrete-ish plan. So it doesn’t have to be in stone, but it should be stone-ish. Even if it’s just a long term get-me-the-heck-out-of-here type plan. You can’t force them. You won’t force them to fix the issues if they don’t want to, but at least you don’t have to be stewing in the same pot of stress as everyone else. It may be several months in the future before you can leave, move into another place. But if you have a plan and you have a timeline, that at least will help you feel better. You’ll feel less trapped by your circumstances. So even if you’re like, “I’m flat broke, there’s no way I can move out.” If you say, “Well if I save this and I get another job here and sleep on Tom’s couch for three months, I can have my own place in October.” You need to have that plan because if you just go, “Ew, am I going to work my butt off and eventually I’ll move out.” Eventually sounds like forever to your brain. It sounds like never. But if you’ve got a timeline and you’re working towards it, you’ll have the keys to the prison and you’ll feel better. And you’ll notice I didn’t teach you how to solve this problem.

[00:15:00] I’m teaching you how to take care of yourself because again, you cannot force people to solve their issues. There’s a good chance your mom and dad are just going to argue and have this problem until they’re gone. And you should not be in that environment and you have a choice. It might be a tough choice, but it’s a choice you have to make for your own sanity. Oof. I’m glad I’m not in that situation and I feel bad for you, man.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:15:20] Yeah, me too. And definitely changing your environment is going to change you probably overnight because you’re not stewing in that — like you said, Jordan — that pot of stress.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:15:28] Yeah. I mean, look, they might call you every day and complain, but you take the call, you go for a walk, you shake it off, you hit the gym and you’re back to normal. Not, “Okay, guess I’ll just listen to my mom cry and scream and yell at my dad for five hours instead of sleeping.” You know, that’s what you’re dealing with now. That’s not good, phew.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:15:47] This is Feedback Friday. We’ll be right back

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:19:01] All right, next up.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:19:02] Hey, Jordan and crew. My dad is a pedophile.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:19:05] Oh, wow. That’s —

Jason DeFillippo: [00:19:06] Yeah, this is a deep one.

[00:19:08] He’s taking naked pictures of kids, including one of my cousins on my mom’s side and posted them online. He’s been caught by the police, but he’s been let go on some kind of probation. I don’t know how to handle the situation. For some context. I’m a high functioning autistic person. I’m able to live on my own, take care of myself, and hold down a full-time job, but I have a lot of problems making and maintaining friendships and I have enough sensory issues that I don’t like to leave my house any more than I need to. On the one hand, it would be a great relief to me if I never had to see or hear from my parents again. On the other hand, the number of people in my support network is already quite small. And I wouldn’t want to lose contact with my sister who has very severe mental health problems and who is still living at home. What’s your take on my situation? Best regards, My Dad’s a Creep.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:19:57] Wow. Okay. Well, thanks for trusting me with this. That is an honor, but wow, this is such a heavy situation. Holy smokes. I was going to say that you need to report your dad to the police, but it sounds like he’s already on probation. I’m confused by that. I don’t want to ask for more details on this cause it doesn’t really matter, but how do you get probation being a pedophile — Maybe they just didn’t have enough evidence to — I don’t understand that.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:20:20] Or turned in some of his network.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:22] Yeah, and he only had like a few things and it wasn’t maybe like that. I don’t know. That’s strange. Whatever. Okay. Well, that’s icky. Of course. I definitely understand not wanting to be around that. I have to ask though, did anything ever happen to you as a kid? You don’t have to actually answer this in an email to me. But if so, please consider therapy because trauma has very strange ways of manifesting itself. You know, it can come out in your relationships, it can come out and things that work. It can come out with your friends, it can just keep you up at night and you think, you know, I’m stressed out at work and all of this stuff can bubble up later because your brain has ways of protecting itself from it. But it’s kind of like. It’s still bad for you to have it in there and unaddressed. It’s better to address it rather than simply avoid it.

[00:21:10] I don’t blame you for wanting to limit or eliminate contact with your parents. You can absolutely do this but you don’t have to make a big deal out of it. You don’t have to call them up and claim that you’re never going to talk to them again. If I were in your shoes, I would just not attend as many family functions if I didn’t want to. I’d pick up the phone a little bit less if they’re calling me and then call them back a few days later. You don’t have to make some declaration that you never want to see them again and that they’re horrible people. There’s nothing you really have to do here, in my opinion. You can keep in contact with your sister especially if she’s able to use a mobile phone. You don’t have to call the house to reach her. You don’t have to go through your mom and your dad to reach her. You don’t have to pick up the phone from them, your parents, or ever see them again.

[00:21:54] If they confront you and ask, “Hey, why aren’t you around anymore,” calmly state your case. Just say, “Look. It’s a little toxic with dad and you know, you guys are sweeping that under the rug and it’s very stressful for me,” and you can lean on the high functioning autism thing. You can say, “Look, I don’t want to have to deal with that too. It’s really stressful. Living on my own is hard enough.” If you do end up seeing a therapist, you can work out a more comprehensive strategy with the therapist to handle the issue of your parents. You could say, “What do I say to them? How do I say it? How do I deliver the message?” You can practice with a therapist if you need to. A good counselor or therapist should be able to help you work through this much better and with far more detail than I can.

[00:22:36] And best of luck. You know, it sounds like you’ve just drawn a few unlucky cards here, and I wish you the best with it. I’m very proud of you for being high functioning autistic and living on your own and doing all that stuff. That sounds — I mean, look, being an adult, it’s tough for everybody. I don’t know if that makes you feel any better. But I understand that if it’s tough for you, you’re thinking maybe you were never going to be able to do this. So I think that’s amazing honestly. Adulting is tough. When you’re living on your own, you think it’s great for a while and then you’re like, crap bills. What the hell? You know, responsibility. No thanks. So you’re doing pretty well. I wish you the best with this. Of course, this is weighing you down. I do strongly, strongly encourage you to get a therapist if you don’t already have one to work through this in detail. If you have a social worker or somebody that you’re already working with, that’s fine, you’ll be better off for it.

[00:23:22] And we do have Better Help as a sponsor. That’s not why I always recommend therapy. We went after them because I’m always recommending therapy. Just to be clear, but if you get a, there’s a discount on the first month. Any therapist will do. I just think Better Help is extremely convenient and I don’t want, I don’t have time, or I can’t get there to be the reason that people don’t get the help that they need. and do address this issue either way because if something happened to you as a kid from your dad, and if your parents are stressing you out, you just don’t need that. Life’s hard enough and they’re going to try and use guilt to control you or make you feel bad. Don’t do that, and don’t let them use access to your sister to control you either. That’s unfair and if that starts happening, then you need to call that out and you need to work on that as well. That’s why I think you need somebody in your corner. All right. What’s next?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:12] Something a little lighter. Thank God.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:14] Yes.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:24:15] Dear Jordan, Jason, and Jen. I’m looking for my first job in a new field as I’m graduating with a master’s degree in epidemiology from the University of Michigan this spring. In previous episodes, you and your guests have discussed how moving to a big city can dramatically increase your opportunities for professional success and lead to higher lifetime income. This seems especially true in the healthcare, data analytics, and research industry, as many companies are based in or near tech hubs like San Francisco. However, I’m concerned that the benefits of being in a major city may be offset by the higher cost of living, which will make it harder for me to pay off my student loans, start saving for retirement, buy a house, et cetera. Do you have any advice for how to weigh these initial financial setbacks with the possibility of future promotions, pay increases, or other big city opportunities? Thanks for all that you do. Signed, They Didn’t Teach This in School.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:25:06] This is an excellent question. Do the potential benefits of living in a big city outweigh the increased cost of living. I’m going to simplify it a little bit. There’s more to it, but that’s the nutshell version. The biggest pushback I get and I see like, oh, I’ll follow the money as per Scott Galloway. Follow the money. It’s in big cities. Big cities are really expensive. Yes, it’s crazy that the median rent in San Francisco is like $4,000 a month, give or take. The only reason why rent is four grand a month though is because incomes are generally high enough to afford this. If that wasn’t the case, the rent market would fall. It would be cheaper. The market is more or less efficient. It’s rational in some way. Only a knucklehead with an online business would not try and geo arbitrage his way and live in a lower-cost area of the world. And yes, that’s me. I live in. Silicon Valley, even though I could work from China if I needed to, so I’m guilty of that.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:26:02] You expensive place in the world, or at least in the United States to live.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:06] Yeah. And it’s because Jen’s family lives around here. Otherwise, yeah. I would live pretty much anywhere else and have a hell of a lot more disposable income and pay lower taxes but this isn’t about my dumb decisions. This is about your dumb decisions. All right. So my advice is to go to the city but get a job offer first. Because if you’re going to the city and you’re just working at the city Target, you’re going to have a tough time. You’re going to have a huge commute. You’re going to live like a broke-ass college student. You’ll be making enough when you get a job in the city to support living there. That’s kind of the name of the game. You don’t have to live in a fancy spot, especially since your hours at any job in the city are going to be insane at first anyway, and get roommates. That will help a lot and it will be fun.

[00:26:45] Once you’re here or there — depending on which city you choose — you’ll be around a ton of other young professionals that brings opportunities for getting jobs, making money, dating and pairing up with a partner who’s also making some good, solid, steady income.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:26:58] Also, networking for the future because everybody else is going to move on to better jobs and you want to know those people as you grow in your career.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:05] Exactly. That’s the opportunity that people find in cities. “Oh, I used to work with that guy back at the movie poster of graphics place.” Like, “Oh, now he’s working here. Sure, I’ll move over there.” “Oh, this person founded another company and he’s hiring.” That’s the opportunities people are talking about. And “Oh, yeah, those are all online.” Not really. You hire people, you know, like and trust. Do you know, like, and trust the person who hit happy hour with you every week for two years? Or do you trust the person that had a really wicked resume on LinkedIn? Right. It’s an easy choice. All the data shows that people in cities, especially professionals like you or future professionals, like you are wealthier. They’re happier. In a few years, you’ll probably have enough clout and experience to work from home on some days. Meaning you can live farther away if you want. You can commute on some Wi-Fi-enabled train or bus so that you’re able to work on the way to and from work. If you want to zero out your inbox and not spend it, you know, sitting in front of your office computer and you can save money from your job.

[00:27:58] There’s a blogger of, when I was researching this question, he said, one reason baseball players swing two bats at a time before going up to the plate is because it makes swinging with one bat seem easier. They’ll be able to swing faster and with more force if you start life. Or live your life in an expensive city out of necessity. You learn how to manage money, become frugal. People in New York who make less than six figures a year, they’re scrimping and saving and they’re going to this place because it’s cheaper and they rent over there because it’s a new neighborhood. Resourcefulness is actually a pretty valuable life skill as well. Living in an expensive city might even propel you to start a side business, moonlight, side hustle, generate more income. From this extra activity will come a stronger work ethic and a lot more knowledge and experience that could very well open doors to some exciting new things. So I’m not going to do any more of the math here because it’s largely been done by people smarter than me already.

[00:28:50] Unless you really hate the city, it’s more economical and wealth building in the long term to live there, especially at the start of your career before you settle down. You don’t have to live in the city forever to gain economic benefits. In fact, living in the city in your 20s maybe early 30s that’s where you get the core of the economic benefit. If you start your career there before you settle down, you’ve got your network, you’ve got your experiences, you’ve got all these connections, and besides it’s a hell of a lot of fun. He only lived once going and moving to a city after you have kids or in your mid to late 30s that gets trickier. So do it now and if you hate it, bounce. But I think if you’re cut out for the city life, you’re going to get a lot of benefits and yes, it will cost you more upfront, but you will gain much, much more economically and otherwise in the long term. So congrats on graduating and we’ll see you in the city. All right. What else? You got

Jason DeFillippo: [00:29:41] Dearest, Triple J. Within the past year, my girlfriend has been getting therapy from a life coach who will call, Barbara, to help my girlfriend improve in academia. Despite Barbara not holding a current license in anything, my girlfriend has already expressed that the therapy seemed beneficial to her. Barbara has even sold my girlfriend a thousand-dollar audio gizmo with verbal promises that listening to this nightly would tremendously improve her performance and academics. Needless to say, these multisensory bone conductions have yet to have any effect here. We are now with a few months of bearing results from this listening contraption. Barbara is suggesting that my girlfriend’s academic success is not dramatically increasing as expected due to other stressful factors in her life. Her relationship with me apparently. At first, I didn’t see this as completely negative because there’s always a possibility of improving and growing in a relationship, and I can always become a better boyfriend. However, what does absolutely ticked me off is that Barbara is masquerading as a marriage and family therapist, and has suggested to my girlfriend that I am manipulative, controlling, and patronizing. Considering the potential truth in these accusations, I asked our mutual friends, mixed male and female, and even if you ex-girlfriend, whether I have exhibited any signs of these three characteristics. From their perspective, it seems they are actually on my side. We’re going to do Better Help once she gets back from a trip she’s on. And we’ve already matched with a licensed LMFT here in SoCal. But in the meantime, how do I lovingly point out to my girlfriend that this life coach is bleeding us dry and has no business in therapy and absolutely no business in our relationship? Signed, Powerless Boyfriend.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:31:23] Well, this kind of thing really grinds my gears. I cannot stand this sort of — it’s a scam. It really is. I’ll just come out and be blunt. Where do I even start here? The problem I have with a lot of life coaches — not everybody! Stop warming up your email keyboard, all you life coaches or coaches. The problem I have with a lot of these life coach people is not just their lack of certification and qualification. I’ve many friends who lack formal training, yet they’re excellent coaches. To be clear, they’re not necessarily life coaches, but I’m not sure anybody can be certified in something as broad as life coaching certified in a legit way. I’m sure there are companies out there that will gladly take your money and supposedly train you on this. The problem I have with a lot of these coaches, they sell their lifestyle disguised as a coaching product. Perhaps this is the lifestyle design stuff, this is Instagram influence here. A lot of these life coaches spend a hell of a lot more time trying to live and sell the lifestyle dream that suits them rather than investing in the service that they are allegedly, supposedly providing to other people.

[00:32:28] That doesn’t necessarily sound like the case here. That’s a rant for another day, but the bigger problem is someone’s diagnosing your behavior and your relationship in a totally unqualified way. First of all, let’s say I’m a surgeon and your girlfriend comes to me and says, “Yeah, my boyfriend’s arm clicks when he does push ups. It’s so weird.” Would I then be justified in saying, “Well, it sounds like he needs rotator cuff surgery?” That’s awful. Clearly, he’s got a fourth-degree separation and probably some nerve damage too. Does that make any sense? Or maybe it makes more sense for me to say that could be something, or it could be nothing. Maybe he can come in and I, a qualified surgeon doctor in this specialty should take a look at it firsthand. So you see where I’m going with this. Not only is this not happening, this firsthand experience. And that she hasn’t even met you and is diagnosing problems in a relationship, supposedly. She’s also totally unqualified to diagnose anything. Even if you two were sitting right in front of her, she doesn’t know you from Adam. This is so irresponsible. So in this metaphor, it’s not even a surgeon or a doctor diagnosing without having seen the patient. It’s the guy who folds towels at Planet Fitness, diagnosing the problem. Yes. What I’m saying is that the guy who folds towels at Planet Fitness is as qualified as the BS life coach that your girlfriend has hired and who is now meddling in your life, your girlfriend’s life, and in your relationship.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:33:56] Tell me how you really feel, Jordan.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:57] I know, right? No offense to guys who fold towels at Planet Fitness. I mean, everybody’s got to start somewhere. It might be different if this coach has a great rapport with your girlfriend and a great track record of advice in her life so far and knew both of you really well over a period of years. That’s not what this is. This coach has already shown that she’s just a crank who believes in bullcrap with her scammy listening device that’s supposed to make your girlfriend better in college at school. What? It makes no sense. There’s pseudoscience garbage. Oh, and by the way, I may also be as qualified as the guy who folds towels at Planet Fitness to give advice. The difference here is that I am proving, well, hopefully proving my track record by helping tens of thousands of you with practical solutions that I also encourage you to try for yourself. You’ll also notice that I placed responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the question asker almost every time.

[00:34:51] This is part of the reason that I am not a therapist, but I’m a guy who dulls out advice in public. That’s also very key for all to hear. I also refer people to therapy or another qualified professional about 99 percent of the time. You’ve heard me bumped You hear me tell people to get a real attorney in a specialty in their state. This is a very important difference here. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Oh, and by the way, I am a licensed attorney who went to seven years of school and has also been granted a license by the state of New York to advise people in matters that could land them in prison and destroy their business, destroy their entire life, because I’m still a licensed attorney and I passed the bar and I practiced, but other than that, then basically the towel guy. All right. So anyway —

Jason DeFillippo: [00:35:33] We also don’t charge people a thousand dollars a week to listen to Feedback Friday.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:35:37] That’s true. Yeah. So there’s that. Hence the disclaimer, but also I’m giving you things to try on your own. I’m not saying, hey, by the way, your partner, horrible person. I’m only getting one side of the story, but I’m encouraging you to get professional help. That’s not what’s happening here in this scenario. I see that either this coach has missed the ball entirely, talking out of her hours, or there’s something more nefarious going on, and we know from Steven Hassan’s episode on cult behavior that self-help cult often follows this same sort of practice. Yes. This might just be a life coach, whatever. These fake coaches love to blame other people for their client’s problems. One, it’s great to believe that your issues are potentially someone else’s fault. Two, well, that problem is a lot easier to solve. All you have to do is cut that person out of your life, right? Simple enough, but three — and this is where it gets really sketchy — the coach can isolate her client. That’s your girlfriend in this case. She can isolate her from those close to her. So this makes the coach more valuable and thereby more in control of the relationship. This allows scammy con artists to take control of the relationship that they have with their clients and ultimately exploit the client economically and in other ways for that matter.

[00:36:48] In other words, this type of power play might actually be designed to get your girlfriend to either cause conflict with you and rely on the coach more or break up with you and rely on the coach more. Either way, the coach is getting paid. This is irresponsible. It’s unethical and it’s all too common. I have to say I applaud you being open-minded about this and asking those close to you, including X’s, whether you actually exhibited these sorts of red flag behaviors before just dismissing it out of hand. “Oh, she said something negative about me. She’s a quack. She’s a crank.” That was a great move because now you know that it’s not just your own cognitive bias showing up or your own ego trying to protect you. I would also ask your girlfriend if she thinks you’re that way. You never know. It would help to know if maybe your girlfriend is saying something to her coach about this. Maybe it’s like, “Oh yeah, Barbara said, you’re a little controlling.” “Oh, that came out of nowhere.” And meanwhile, she’s like, “No, it didn’t. I’ve been complaining about that a lot recently.” You’ve got to find out where the idea came from. Maybe she did say something about that. Maybe there is an issue in your relationship, but if she only came up with the idea after Barbara planted the idea in her head, you’ve got a problem. If that’s not where the idea came from, and this whole thing is just a Hail Mary type of guests on the part of the coach about what might be stressing out your girlfriend and maybe she, the coach is projecting and she doesn’t have anything against you personally, maybe that is affecting her academically, possibly, sort of maybe, then we can be pretty sure that the coach is full of crap. If she’s just guessing, but she’s guessing and saying, “Oh, look at all these problems that might be happening in your relationship. Are those the problems? Otherwise, it’s all your fault. You’re not doing well in school.” If that’s what she’s doing, and she’s just throwing out random guesses and it’s damaging your relationship and your life with your girlfriend, it is time to run. Don’t walk away from this con artist who is manipulating or trying to manipulate your girlfriend. And frankly, she already has with a thousand-dollar listening gizmo that doesn’t even do anything and that’s not based in science. Get out of here.

[00:38:46] Look, you and your girlfriend sound like smart people. You’re seeking advice. I applaud you looking for help. There are just too many red flags here for me to ignore. Seek qualified expertise and therapy, not fake coaching schemes. That stuff causes more harm than good, and you’re seeing it right now. It sounds like the most value she’s gotten from this life coach is a lighter wallet, which is not good. So go try Better Help, Have them work with both you and your girlfriend or go to a therapist that’s local to you. Go to a real professional. Once you have a qualified therapist helping you, you’ll see the difference. This is actually — I didn’t even think of this before, but you’ll see the difference between the types of interactions you’re having and the type of advice you’re getting. Life coaches will be like, do this, do that scammy ones. Do this, do that, buy this gizmo, buy my program, come in for more sessions. A therapist isn’t going to be like, “Oh, the solution to this problem is giving me a bunch of extra money.” That’s not how therapy works. Seeing that side by side, having a therapist and then with you and your girlfriend and then your girlfriend talking to this life coach that’s pumping her full of crap, that will magnify the deficiencies that this so-called life coach has in her interactions with your girlfriend. That could loosen the coach’s grip on her as well because she’ll have a rational voice that’s not just yours in her other ear. She’s not getting all her info from this life coach. I’m sorry to hear about this. The good news is catching stuff like this early enough helps ensure that this type of toxic crap doesn’t take hold over your girlfriend. I assume she’s fairly sharp. She’s in college, she’s studying advanced degree. She can probably see it for what it is, but there’s a little doubt in her mind. That’s probably how you found out about this in the first place. She was second guessing it and came to you to see what you thought while also may be accusing you a little bit of being controlling and manipulative. I don’t know.

[00:40:35] Oh, and if Barbara is really calling herself a marriage and family therapist, that might actually be illegal if she’s not licensed. I would check legality, Google wiretapping laws in your state. If you live in Nevada, you know, can I record the call or do I need to let them know? If it’s a one-party state, go ahead and record the communication and take screenshots of her emails and her website. In fact, you can record the session anyway, even if you have to tell her, just tell her you’re recording it. If it changes her behavior or she says, “Oh, you can’t record my sessions with you, their secret.” That’s a massive red flag. Take screenshots of her emails, take screenshots of the website. If she’s really lying about her qualifications and saying she’s a licensed marriage and family therapist, you may actually be dealing with a real con artist and not just a crappy want to be a life coach.

[00:41:26] Keep us posted. I find this interesting and I hope you find a way out of this mess. It sounds like you’re being actively scammed right now, and it sounds like she might be in dangerous hands.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:41:38] We’ll be right back with more Feedback Friday right after this.

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Jason DeFillippo: [00:44:58] Hey, Jordan. I just started Six-Minute Networking and it’s been very helpful so far. I’m curious about what your approach to barters is and your advice for how one can communicate a barter proposal in an attractive way. For example, I’m a professional interior house painter and would like to barter those skills in exchange for studio time at a local recording studio. Thanks in advance, The Budding Barter.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:45:20] Well, I normally don’t like barter. Usually, both parties leave unsatisfied, and I’m not saying this is in every case, but I’ve done it a ton in the past. I’ve regretted it almost every single time. Now I prefer to pay for services, but and I’ll be honest here, that’s often because now I’m either one dealing with a vendor, I want to hold them accountable and having a sort of formal relationship really is the best way, cause I can point to their scope of work, the contract, the money I paid, and be like, we’re good. Or two. I prefer doing business with friends, in which case we do everything by the book and everything is just like I would be doing, even if it was a stranger, maybe I just don’t put things in escrow or something but still. Or it’s a favor that is so small that there’s no real payment nor trade required to just kind of like, “Hey, I’ll get you back later.” “Cool. I’m not going to put that in a written agreement.” Or, “Hey, I’ll take you out for dinner sometime.” “Cool. I’m not going to get a contract that says that.” If it’s so small, it doesn’t matter. It has to be so small that it won’t affect the relationship even if something doesn’t get done or it gets broken somehow and it’s like, “Oh yeah, he was going to install that website plugin. But he just, you know, his dog got sick and he forgot.” It’s not something that I’m going to stress out about them, it’s not going to affect the relationship.

[00:46:34] If you’re going to barter, treat everything just like a real business deal. Write the contract, write the term. Be very specific. Contracts don’t need to have a magical language. Non-lawyers can do this. Don’t just email them, “Hey, I’ll paint your studio if you’ll let me use it afterwards, like two or three times.” Write something down in electronic communication and then print it out and get it signed. Write something like, I will paint X square feet, namely this studio at this address, using ABC paint, two coats over N period of time, two weeks, whatever, to be completed by D date, no later than February 2020. In return, you will let me use the studio on these three dates for two hours each time during Q two of 2020 namely March through June of 2020, not before and not after. And this also includes your skills as sound engineer during the time I’m in the studio and a copy of the file on a flash drive given to me afterwards.

[00:47:34] Really specific. The more specific you get, the less likely there’s going to be a misunderstanding. Also, everyone knows what they’re getting, and so nobody’s left hanging or holding the ball. It’s not like, “Oh, I thought you were just going to let yourself into the studio and turn on the equipment, or I thought you were going to bring your own recorder. Oh, I can’t sit there while you’re singing into the microphone. That’s not what we agreed upon. Or, Oh yeah, you know. I was only going to paint the studio, but I wasn’t going to use, I wasn’t going to give you a color. I was just going to paint over the old color with white. I’m not going to do a mural for you. I didn’t know that’s what you wanted.” You have to be specific. Otherwise, everybody’s pissed or you perform first and then they don’t want to perform and then you’re angry at them and you’ve ruined the whole thing and you wasted all the effort.

[00:48:14] Bear in mind, actually write this down and get it signed. Don’t just say your reply to this email signals that you understand. Get it signed. It’s not a magic legal thing, but it makes it real for them. They’re not going to go, “Oh, I didn’t see that in the email. I just replied, cool, bro.” Get a valid legal contract. Emails are valid, but a print off with a signature page is much better. It can be enforced as a valid legal contract. There’s no ambiguity. Everyone should know what’s going on going into this. And if you want to make it more attractive to the second part of your question, if you want to make this more attractive. Offer to perform your side of the contract first so they can make sure they’re satisfied. “Cool. I’m done. I painted two coats, it’s dry, looks good.” And they say, “Yeah, you forgot the closet. I want the closet. Repaint it because it looks weird.” “Oh, okay, sure.” Then he makes sure they’re satisfied. You risk getting screwed over. Of course, they can always screw you over. That’s why they should all be in writing. You’re never going to take them to court for this, but at least you’ll be able to know that you’re in the right.

[00:49:11] Now, maybe you see why I prefer to just pay and be done with it. But you risk getting screwed over, but if you perform first, it’s more attractive because they’re not taking the risk. You’re shouldering the risk. You’re shifting it to you by performing your end first. Now, this is a useful and good skill set barter contracts. If you get it done right, best of luck. Let me know when your new album drops.

[00:49:31] Life pro tip of the week. Get a physical every year and have blood work done at least every year. No matter what age you are. I don’t care for 27 no matter how outwardly healthy you are. I just ran four marathons last year. There are things that can affect your wellbeing that are genetic. They are not determined by lifestyle. Jason, you and I were just talking about a Nitro from American Gladiators, Dan Clark, our mutual friend. He had a heart attack. How old was he when he had his heart attack?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:49:57] He was 52 or 53

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:00] Okay. So he was no spring chicken, but he was no old dude and he was a super fit professional athlete for what his entire life before that?

Jason DeFillippo: [00:50:08] Yeah, from when he was 12

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:10] And so, yeah, he probably had some lifestyle factors that contributed to that and we’ll get into that when we interview him, but a lot of that’s genetic, high cholesterol, lot of that’s genetic. Sure some are probably lifestyle choices, but a lot of that stuff, especially when you’re young, it’s genetic. You got to get ahead of it. Blood work is not that expensive. In fact, if you have good insurance, it should cover this. A lot of doctors won’t order it cause they’re like, “Ah, you don’t want to get picked. You’re only 29 you don’t need to sit here and do that.” Just ask. A lot of doctors will just order it because it’s good practice. It’s a good general practice. They just figured you didn’t want to spend the time ask for it. Worst thing they can say is no, or, yeah, you can do it, but it’s going to cost you 100 bucks. Sure is better than dying young. I tell you that.

Jason DeFillippo: [00:50:51] I just got my insurance card for the first time in a couple of years now and I have a doctor’s appointment coming up in the next week to get my blood work done because yeah, I am of a man of a certain age where it’s time to take those things seriously, but I wish I’d had done it my whole life because I could have probably been in better health at this point. Plausible deniability is not a way to go about taking care of your health.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:12] Not good. No, definitely not good. I don’t think saying, gee, my doctor never asked me to do that is a good strategy at all.

[00:51:20] Recommendation of the week. Ukraine: From Democracy to Chaos. Yes. It’s political in nature. It’s not about politicians, but I started watching Amazon Prime Video because we were watching something that Jen and I kind of like, that’s dumb. I’ll just leave it there. It’s a waste of everyone’s time, but we were looking for other things and. We noticed there’s a ton of documentaries way more than Netflix. The reason is, candidly, some of these are made really cheaply and you can totally tell, but you end up with kind of weird fringe or low budget stuff that is just as interesting as anything on Netflix and Netflix has its own stinkers let’s be real. But Amazon Prime Video has a ton, like hundreds, at least so far and more. It’s all included with Prime if you have Prime. Anyway, this Ukraine: From Democracy to Chaos talks about the Orange Revolution and how they peacefully got rid of their crappy Soviet, well not Soviet, Russian puppet leader and how he ended up coming back and this revolution and how Russia influences Ukraine’s politics, and now they’re in a war. It’s interesting a lot of frontline video, and we don’t hear a lot about Ukraine’s war that’s still going on, by the way, and all of the crazy propaganda going on from Russia and Russian news and stuff that’s disseminated inside Ukraine. It’s disturbing. And if you remember my old, old interview with Timothy Snyder. He’s in the documentary as well. He’s a really interesting guy. He talks about authoritarian regimes and how we’re kind of looking pre-World War II, but maybe not in a super alarmist kind of way. You know, we’re looking at some world leaders that are got a little bit of Hitler on your chin there, you know, some of these guys not doing well for the whole international order. I think this is an interesting documentary. Again, I’m not an alarmist, but. I highly recommend checking this stuff out, Ukraine: From Democracy to Chaos. It’ll be linked in the show notes, and it’s an Amazon Prime Video. If you just search for Ukraine.

[00:53:12] I hope you all enjoyed that. I want to thank everyone that wrote in this week. Remember, we’re going to prison on February 25, 26. We’ll be in the prison on the 26th so you come in late on the 25th. That’s February 26, 2020. Email me if you want to go, 900 bucks, you pay for the hotel and the flight. It should be pretty affordable. Educational program for the inmates will be life-changing. Email me at A couple of spots left. I want to fill the whole thing up until they cut me off. A link to the show notes for the episode can be found at

[00:53:43] Quick shout out to Brad Floyd who said he likes that we don’t just randomly chit chat at the end of every show. A lot of shows do that. I know I can’t stand that either. There’s banter that puts forth the story and advances the narrative and helps, or is it, at least in some way entertaining. And then there’s banter, that’s just we don’t know how to close the shows, so we’re going to try to about nothing and keep it irrelevant. We don’t like to do that. On that note, that’s enough for me. Thanks, Brad Floyd. I appreciate you listening to the show.

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