164: How to Rescue Your Loved One from an MLM Scam | Feedback Friday

Transcript for How to Rescue Your Loved One From an MLM Scam | Feedback Friday (Episode 164)

 
Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:00] Welcome to Feedback Friday. I'm your host Jordan Harbinger and I'm here with producer Jason DeFilippo. Here on The Jordan Harbinger Show, we love having conversations with our fascinating guests. And this week we had Cesar Millan. He is just super natural when it comes to training dogs. He is simply amazing. We talk about dog training of course, but mostly as it pertains to humans because what we found out was that training dogs is 60 percent or more training the human owner, which I thought was fascinating in his backstory is just something else, Jason.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:00:29] He came over with no money, had to go through a coyote to get across the river and get into the United States. And just the only thing that he knew how to say was “Can I have a job application?” In English. Which is so cool. It's so cool. It's just like, “Okay, I don't know what else to put on it.” And how did he actually figure out how to fill out the application because it was an English?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:00:51] Yeah, good point. He probably just like drew pictures of dogs and him training the dogs.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:00:57] Yeah, seriously a picture of a rottweiler. I can do rottweilers really well.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:01:01] We also had Todd Herman talking about the alter ego effect. In other words, how to use a little bit of visualization but mostly super hero kind of alter ego, super power stuff that he uses when he trains a lot of elite athletes and he's teaching us how to do that. And I think this stuff is fascinating. I've been using it. I really enjoy it. A recent post I did was how to make friends as an adult, surprisingly difficult. A lot of people have written in about this and so I thought I'd do sort of a deep dive post on that and that's at jordanharbinger.com/articles. So take a look and take a listen there to all that.

[00:01:38] Of course, our primary mission here on the show is to pass along our guests insights and our experiences and insights along to you. In other words, the real purpose of the show is to have conversations directly with you and that's what we're going to do today here on Feedback Friday. You can reach us at friday@jordanharbinger.com. Concise is always better. And Jason, we've had some great guests recently. We've got a lot of really cool guests coming up. I personally need a little bit of a break. I know people always go, “How do you get so much done but you burn out?” And I'm like, “Yes.”

The answer is yes I do.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:09] Yes. Yes you do. You are the hardest working man in pod business.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:13] That's right.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:14] You're like the James Brown of podcasts.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:17] Speaking of which, I'll be at Podfest coming up here in March, so if anyone's going to that come say hello. I'm going as a representative of Himalaya, which is a--

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:26] I will be there with you too.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:28] Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:29] That’s right.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:30] You're going to go be there.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:30] I’m going too. So if you guys want to come hang out and have a drink with us, we will be there in Orlando.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:37] That’s right. Orlando, Florida.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:02:41] Florida.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:02:43] So if you're in, no, sorry, I know that a lot of people are going to go, “I'm not going to Podfest, but I live in Orlando. Can we meet up?” I'm really afraid not, because we are so busy. I would love to, don't get me wrong, but with Podfest stuff, when I go to these events for podcast stuff, I'm barely able to sleep because it's like wake up, breakfast meeting, gym, event, event, event, event, event, after event thing, late night thing, peel myself away to go to bed. Hey, don't forget to get up at six and go do this thing. It's like that's those things all the time. And even then I leave and I go, sorry, I didn't get a chance to see half the people at the thing and meet with half the people at the event. It's impossible. So I will do something in Orlando eventually, but I can't leave the event. But please, if you're going to be at Podfest, come say hi. Email me jordan@jordanharbinger.com and we'll, we'll figure out how to run into each other. All right, Jason, what's the first thing out of the mail bag?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:03:36] Hey, Jason and Jordan. I'm a 30 year old man and I just recently left the bird's nest. I know. Sad. Hey, I live in the Bay Area, so kind of bothersome slide.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:46] Yeah. Leaving the nest here, you need $2 million.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:03:49] Yeah, no doubt. I had a reason why I stayed at home for so long. I put myself in $25,000 worth of credit card debt right out of college.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:03:58] Yeah, that will do it.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:03:58] Trust me. Yeah, seriously. I mean, that's a chunk of change. That's a lot of Xboxes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:04] Yeah.

 

Jason DeFilippo: [00:04:05] Trust me, I've since learned my lesson and paid off the debt, hence why I recently moved out. My guilt stems from feeling like I cheated my parents. They're both blue collar workers in the restaurant industry and still managed to pay for a roof over our heads. Stuck the fridge with the essentials and take care of us. They never once asked me to pay a dime, not for rent, not for utilities, not nothing, and I never offered to pay for anything. I also recently got a six figure job, which was one of the factors in getting myself out of debt quicker.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:36] Wow.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:04:36] Now my folks are--

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:38] That's pretty good. That's one way to do it. Get a crazy high paying job.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:04:42] Now my folks are living in the same rundown apartment. Well, I find myself in a one bedroom apartment in a gated community. Well, Mr. Fancy Pants.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:04:51] He is.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:04:51] As I packed up my last bag and hugged them goodbye, I started to tear up because I felt ashamed that they were going to remain stagnant, living in the same hood while I earn more than both of them combined. I couldn't muster a word to say and just darted out the door. In my culture, it's typically expected that the kids will eventually provide for their parents. I feel like a failure. What should I do to rid myself of this guilt? Thanks for the help, Guilty Moocher Son.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:20] Well congrats. 25K and dead as a tough lesson for sure and the fact that you overcame that is pretty awesome. Although Jason, I love the fact that he just like moves out of his parents' apartment and is like, “Sorry, I needed to be a behind a gate here in my gated community like no, I don't want the riffraff coming in. It's like, bro, you are riffraff.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:05:39] I'm going to Kanye this bitch now mother, you know?

Jordan Harbinger: [00:05:43] You were riffraff yesterday. Today you're like, excuse me, do you live here sir? Get out of here with that. I love that though. Okay, I mean moving on up like immediate doorman. That's really, really funny. So here's what I would do. Figure out market rate rent and utilities in your area for current pricing. Don't go all historical data on me. Create a food budget based on your current level of consumption or approximately that, and then multiply that out times the number of months that you lived with your parents. Then when you have that figure, write them a nice note about what they've done for you. How did the greatest parents in the world. How they never made you feel guilty. How their parenting and values and everything set you up for success. And if you're the tech type, whatever, make a video, you can use your phone, whatever. It doesn't matter. The more from the heart, the better. Write the note too though, the note and the video. Then tell them you love your new job, your new apartment, and the first installment is on the way, and then cut them checks every month for the back rent, utilities, and food that you borrowed while you live with them. You don't have to pay them back in one lump sum. If you try to do that, it's going to be a financial burden or it might never happen and you don't want that. They will really be moved by this. They will think the world of you. They will be bragging so much to their friends about their amazing son that everyone will get sick of hearing about it.

[00:07:03] All their friends with kids still at home will look upon you with reverence as the good for nothing kid who lived at home and who made good on his promise to succeed and pay his parents back. Birds will land on your shoulder as the clouds parts while you walk up the driveway. Your parents might not even accept the money and then again, they might, either way consider it the highest honor you could have achieved after all they have done for you. It's not the money, it's that you realize you can never pay them back for what they've done for you, but you're still going to try. Congrats on all your success by the way. I love hearing stuff like this.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:07:36] I tried this with my dad. My dad would have none of it. He was just like, “No, it's my job.” You're not giving me any money back. I'm like, “Well, can I at least pay for your phone?” He's like, “Okay.” So I got him a new phone, and then I'm like, “Can I just send you random stuff here and there?” He's like, “Okay.” But he didn't want the check because the check, I don't know if the check like made him feel weird about it, but what I did was it's like, okay, here's the new thing. Here's an instant pot. Here's an air fryer. Here's all the crazy stuff.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:06] Here's all the stuff I bought of the Amazon that I don't want.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:08:09] Yeah, exactly. So I just send them tons of stuff and he's very appreciative. But man, when I tried to send him a check, oh man, he got up in my grill. He did not want to have anything to do with that because he's a very proud Italian American just like I am. And he's just like, it was my job to make sure that you went out in the world to be a productive member of society and that's all that matters. But the other stuff, the perks, the side stuff, he loves it. He's just like, he's got it like an iPhone 10 and all this other crazy stuff and he's just like, he loves that. But like my dad just was just like, “Don't send me a check.” So if they reject the check, just send them lots of stuff.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:51] You know what happened when I tried to send my mom a check?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:08:53] She said, “Yeah, thank you?”

Jordan Harbinger: [00:08:55] She cashed it. Yeah, she cashed it. Thank you. Yeah.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:08:59] [indiscernible]

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:00] Dude, it didn't even take -- I looked at my bank statement, it took like 24 hours. I was like, “Did you just get the mail and goes straight to your car?” Did you even go in the house straight to the bank? She probably wanted to make sure it didn't bounce.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:09:15] Exactly. He's a podcast or this might fail any minutes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:19] That’s right.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:09:20] Cashed this while it’s good.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:09:20] Go cashed it now. Yeah, get to it now. She probably went straight to the bank and was like, “Oh, I'm not sending this. Thank you email.” I'll save it in drafts. I'm going to write this, thank you email and then go to the bank and then if I fall as well, you know when it clears, I'll click send on this thing. Yeah. Now that she cashed that thing so fast. It was years ago. It was when I needed some cash to move to New York and it was so expensive back then. Still is obviously, but I needed some dough for the apartment deposit. Man, she cashed that shit so fast. All right. What's the next out in the mail bag?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:09:52] Hi, Jordan, Jason and Jen. I'm a senior at UNC Chapel Hill. Hey, “Go Tar Heels.” I used to live in North Carolina, so you know, dig the Tar Heels, but like the Wolfpack a little more, but hey, “Go Tar Heels.” And it's time for me to get a real job and get my career going. I'm an economics major, entrepreneurship and Russian minor. I love business and marketing, but the one thing I love more our cars, specifically working on and driving them. My brother and I recently started up a marketing agency where we have one client so far, but don't have the fundamentals to get off the ground.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:27] How do you have a client if you don't have the fundamentals to get off the ground? But, okay, fine whatever. That's a digression. I just think, who's your poor client? Who doesn't know that you can't do the business?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:10:36] Yeah, seriously. Obviously you've gotten off the ground, you have a client.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:40] Well, yeah for now.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:10:43] So my brother suggested that I should get a job at a professional marketing agency, but I think that I should get a job where I could do something with cars. I don't have experience or a degree working with cars other than working on them from home. Nevertheless, it's my absolute dream to become a race car driver one day. I've thought about working in a dealership but think that it's going to keep me in the sales side of the car business, which is where I don't want to be. What do you think I should do? Sincerely, The Clueless Dreamer.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:11:11] So I love the ambition here of knowing what you want to do and going in that direction. That said, we can't always get jobs just because we want them and we definitely need to be qualified for them. I kind of already touched on that. You might know a lot about cars, but you're not certified as a mechanic yet. Got it. Okay, so go do that. There are very inexpensive ways to do this, potentially at cost or better in many communities. Trade schools are easy to get into. Jobs are plentiful. A lot of shops I know around here can't even hire enough people to work there. So that's a certain first step. And then what I would do is join car clubs and go to rally school, which is one of the first things you need to do is a driver. After a while you'll want to start working in the sport itself, not just in regular auto shops.

[00:11:56] If I were in your shoes, I'd find out who works on the high end cars and ask them about their career path, what did they do to get where they are, what they recommend for you and what you would need to do know. Or B, certified in right to come and work for them. Literally ask what qualifications you need to be allowed to wipe grease off parts at the track on weekends or whatever it is while you work your way up. As for becoming a driver, that's a professional sport. I'm not sure about the path here, but what I do know is that you've got to be racing soon. Getting involved with those teams, getting as close to the crown as you can. Driving might be the glorious part and that you can probably do that without being a pro. The more likely careers here will be on the team itself. Doing something with the cars. Lot of people want to play football. Not everyone gets to be the quarterback.

[00:12:45] That said, if you want to be the quarterback, go for it. Just make sure you've got a plan to play on the offensive line in case that turns out to be a better way to make a living and actually get into the sport that you want. I don't know how old you are or anything, so I can't really gauge your career path. The key to any career like this is to get an inside look at the path itself and you get that by working in the industry and connecting with the people in it and making your way from the inside. They don't hire the drivers from Craigslist, right? So best of luck. Welcome to the show and get certified in what you need and then get on the inside as fast as you can. Get in the building.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:17:55] All right, next up.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:17:57] Hi, J cubed. I'm working as a social media manager at a small advertising agency and enjoy my job. Here's my problem. My hours were cut. My boss said they were cut because she lost some clients, which is understandable because she's an entrepreneur. I'm a little worried for my job, but not too much because this happened before when I first got hired and they went back up. Here's my problem. I need money now and I'm getting less. I don't really want to leave my job because this is my first real job and I've only been here for six months. I want to build up experience and show that I can hold down a job for at least a year or so. I'm thinking of trying to freelance on the side, but I'm worried about the ethical implications. If I find clients for myself, would I then be competing with my boss? I'm in the agency does more than social media, but I'm still worried that there is a conflict of interest. I would love to hear your opinion on this as a former lawyer and business owner yourself. Signed, Conflicted And Cash Strapped.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:18:54] So I see your dilemma here. Do you have a noncompete with your place of work? Probably some kind of, there's got to be some, but are you full time there technically? If so, you probably can't work outside in the same industry and take outside work and then the same industry. But you said your hours were cut, which leads me to believe that you're a contractor so you still can't work on other clients stuff during work hours or in the office, but you should be free to do so otherwise. So the couple options here. One, ask your boss if she needs more clients and if you can help, she'll say yes, obviously. Then you negotiate an arrangement by which you get commission and this commission should be ongoing, a percentage of the work that the client brings in, not a one-time finder's fee. This way your boss gets work, you get more hours, and you get paid for the sales role that you now find yourself in.

[00:19:45] You also probably have to negotiate that you work on those projects by the way, so they don't just get staffed out to somebody else if she feels like it. Alternately read your employment agreement and or have a lawyer read it, then you can see what you're allowed to do outside of work. If you're allowed to get outside clients or it's silent on that, and I think you probably are because you're a contractor most likely, then go for it. Just do not steal clients from your boss and don't work on their stuff in the office, nor using resources paid for by your boss or your bosses company, like if they're paying for Adobe Creative Cloud or whatever, don't use that while you’re working on it.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:20:20] Or any computers.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:22] Or the computer itself if they bought it.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:20:23] Yeah, seriously. If you're in the office, you should never, ever, ever work on any side job.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:20:29] But if it's your stuff and you're at home in your home office, you're probably on your own time. In the end, there's no reason for you to suffer because your boss isn't managing to sell clients and can't retain clients, so you get to decide if you'd rather help your boss fix that problem or diversify your revenue streams. These both have pros and cons that you can evaluate to make your decision. For example, if you think your boss loses clients because she's bad at serving clients, get your own clients. If you think you can do better, if you think you'd rather not do any of the service, the management, but you really enjoy the stuff you're doing now, then see what you can do to bring your boss clients and let her do the heavy lifting. Especially if you think, oh she lost some people because of you know whatever freak thing.

[00:21:13] Either way, fill those gaps. If you think you'll eventually leave this company and go off on your own. There's no reason not to get a client or two on the side is as long as you're not breaking any rules and doing so. Just be aware that if your boss finds out, rule breaking or not, she may not be happy even if it's not prohibited by the written agreement you have in place with her already. So keep that in mind. But what I would do, honestly, get a side hustle, get some clients going as long as you're allowed too. Keep it under wraps. It's not your boss's business if you're a contractor. It's none of her business.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:21:47] Exactly.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:21:47] You can try to help her. If you feel bad, like if one of their clients went out of business or stopped using you guys for some reason that seems freakish, then fine. Get a couple of clients. Get on the boss's good side. Make sure your staff at those projects, get a little commission. Otherwise, you don't have to be behind your boss on this. A lot of times freelancers find out their bosses inept and they just happen to be older or had been in the game longer. Maybe you need to get your own clients. There's a better insurance policy there. If you're controlling that interaction, as long as you don't hate doing it. If you hate doing it, let your boss do it. Just be aware there's tradeoffs. All right, next up.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:22:28] Hi Jordan. I've had a lot of success over the past four years in my current role at a property development company. In that time, I had four promotions and I'm currently a director in the company. My current boss has been there about the same length of time, but has held the same position over four years. Ever since I got my last promotion, I've noticed that he started to do things subtly to block my career from progressing further, which would mean taking his job. I can't understand why, but this is frustrating. I know a lot of other people in the firm know the value that I add to the company and relatively how incompetent my boss is. I'm struggling to think of options for how I deal with this career blocking attitude from my boss. For example, not forwarding the important emails or passing on critical information, not reviewing work in the time required, actively trying to put other people in opportunities over me. Grateful for any advice you have. Cheers, Job Blocked.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:23:24] This is a natural consequence of being smart and ambitious. You're coming up against politics from a lower level. So give your boss a chance to not do this stuff before you take matters into your own hands. Have a conversation in writing with the boss. Use specific examples of let's say not sharing info, not work on time, etc. Explain what this does and how it makes success for the company impossible. Not just you but you and him as a team, for the company as a team. Got it? So you're locked in this awkward thing with a boss who's blocking you. Call out the awkwardness because right now your boss is totally getting away with it. Totally getting away with it, right? Be nonthreatening, non-confrontational, and if this does not work, then go to step two, and I'll tell you that in a second, but so make sure you do this in writing. Again, don't just walk in and be like, “Hey, these all these things that happen. Write it down in an email and honestly, I will say this, you might not be allowed to do this, but do it anyway. BCC, BCC, not CC, BCC a personal Gmail account. Because if you get shit canned, you want a copy of this email that says you told your boss not, “Oh yeah, I wrote it and send my work email that my boss has admin access to and now I can't find it.” Right?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:24:45] Yeah. We covered this on a previous episode. BCC yourself on every communication that you have with the upper echelon, for sure.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:24:52] Yeah. Good idea. That way you have a copy to give to your lawyer. Not like you're trying to get it in discovery. So be non-threatening when you do the meeting, be non-confrontational, be non-threatening and non-confrontational in the email, but document everything. If this does not work, go to step two. That might be his boss, HR, whatever you decide, but you can then show, “Hey look, I've already tried to remedy this directly. It's not going anywhere. I've got the email printed off. Here's a copy. I'm going to send you a copy electronically, so you can't just shred this, and nothing's happened.” You still want to play fair. Don't get carried away with frustration and ambition and just go for the juggler. It's really tempting to be like, “I'm going to go into the ombudsman and get you fired.” Don't become a political animal who gets carried away with your own ambition. It'll look really bad if you do that. Always err on the side of being very polite and professional. Do it all in writing stage. Star extremely cool.

[00:25:52] Mentally prepare for your boss to be confrontational. Be prepared to hear something negative from the boss and don't blow a gasket. Like realize when you send this, your response, realize when you send this email, your boss is going to be like, “Whoa, you are a useless piece of crap.” Like that might not happen, but there's going to be some shade of that, right?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:26:13] Totally, totally.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:26:14] They're probably thinking, I dare you to say something. Do not react. In fact, you might even hear some truth in what they're saying as well, and you'll get clues about what's making the boss angry. Do not go, “You know what? I'm right and you're wrong, and here's why I'm going to screw you.” Like forget about it all that. That's only going to hurt you. So if they blow a gasket, great. That's good for you. If they're triggered. Great. If they try to trigger you. Cool, you might get some kernel of truth in how to improve. Do not take the bait. Step three if that stuff doesn't work, look for another job. You cannot fix a broken political culture at work on your own, but that's step three. Not like immediately quit. No, and not immediately go to the bosses boss. No. Try to work it out with them. There's a good chance that your boss is just going to be like, “Look, I'm not crazy about it. When you do these five things or these two things.” And you're like, “Yeah, you know what?” All right. And they're like, “Look, I like you.” Let's do this. You're a good. You're competent. You're ambitious. I like you. You might repair this relationship and be like, “Oh my God, I'm friends with him now.” But he might also go, “I hate you and I want you to get fired. I just can't fire you myself.” And then you're like, “Cool, I'm going to your boss because I'm not afraid of you, punk.” But don't start there. Do not start there. Trust me, I've done that. Don't start there.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:27:30] Don't start. Yeah, that's not where you want to begin the conversation.

[00:27:36] We'll be right back with more Feedback Friday right after this.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:27:40] This episode is sponsored in part by TripActions. Now this is a business idea that I love. Now there's a reason half of business travelers do not use their company's chosen travel management platform. Booking business travel is ridiculously outdated apparently. It's time consuming. It's costly and there's bad logistics galore. I remember when I was interviewing for, I mean this is a while ago now. I don't even know if I was interviewing. I was at the law firm and my flight got canceled and I basically had to like call the recruiter at home on a weekend evening and be like, “What do I do?” And nobody had a clue and I ended up renting a car and driving to another airport almost driving back to Detroit from New York in a snow storm because nobody had a clue.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:28:54] Yeah, it's kind of enterprise level or medium enterprise levels. The idea here is if you're frustrated with your company's travel management program or lack thereof, look into TripActions here. They've got a demo and we'll talk about that in a second, but it's essentially designed with the road warrior in mind and it works from the app. It works from the desktop. They have 24/7 proactive support around the globe. Not like you call them, you get transferred to some random Filipino call center and then they transfer you to United. Thanks a lot. No, it's like local support agents that handle everything in house. Companies large and small, even as small as what we're running over here with The Jordan Harbinger Show, you can save up to 34 percent on travel spend when you use something like TripActions. Companies like Lyft to Sara Lee Frozen Bakery trust TripActions with their business travel, and it's great for businesses of all sizes. Like I said, we're using it here. They reward travelers for saving their company money and they'll reward you for checking them out as well. They have this cool incentivization layer, so if you save the company money, you get some of that money back in your pocket. They'll even send you push notifications, so if you're at the gate and your flight gets canceled, instead of just like, “Sorry, Charlie, your flights canceled.” They'll send you a push notification and connect you to an agent, one of their own to get rebooked. Jason, tell them where they can check out the demo and get a little bonus.

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Jordan Harbinger: [00:32:07] All right, next step.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:32:08] Hey Jordan, Jason, and Jen. My mother is in an MLM, which is a multilevel marketing scheme and her life revolves around it. It's hurting her relationship with my dad, me and my siblings. She keeps buying products she doesn't need or have us do it because she thinks it's going to make her rich. She doesn't even pay attention to her own vet practice because she's trying to recruit for the MLM. My mom is also convinced the main product has anti-aging properties and is backed peer reviewed studies, all with small sample sizes, mostly done on mice by consultants of the company. She honestly believes the supplement prevents cancer, MS, and Alzheimer's. How can I convince her of the reality of MLMs and that she's putting time into something that will bear no fruit? Can I get her to become more measured in her involvement in the company? Can I convince her that it isn't some miracle supplement? Hoping the question is applicable to any listener who has a friend or family member in an MLM. Thanks, Mother Losing Money.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:14] So this stuff is always so sad for me. I hear lots and lots of stories about MLMs, the toxic practices they use to keep people hooked, losing money, floating on some emotional high. It is really despicable.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:33:28] I don't know about you. Have you lost friends about MLMs? Because I have,

Jordan Harbinger: [00:33:32] No, because I tell people in no uncertain terms, I don't ever want to hear about this. Until you're out, I'm not interested. When you need help with it, let me know. But with like getting out of it, let me know. But otherwise I'm not, I'm not in.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:33:47] I had a really good friend who I'd known for like 15 years and she started pimping this MLM product on Instagram. And I'm just like, “Who turned you onto this?” Because that person is not a friend of yours and you need to like back off of this stuff and she just cut me out of her life immediately. And she's just like, “I'm just trying to make it in this world, man. I'm doing the best I can.” And we have never talked since. It's crazy.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:15] That sucks.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:34:15] Like how deep it goes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:17] Yeah, of course. You know, her training, which they do is, “Oh, if somebody not into it, they're naysayer. They're trying to keep you down. They're not trying to -- it's not in your best interest. They're just trying to get you to be not successful because they're not successful.” That's all the BS they feed you. Every time we try to do an episode or a piece on this, we get angry emails from people who get triggered. They insist their MLM is different, and I know people were warming up their email inbox fingers to tell me about how their MLM was different.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:34:44] Right now.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:34:46] And then they go silent whenever they're asked about their profit above what they've invested to make it happen. Not, “Oh, here's what I made last week.” “Cool. How much did you invest?” “Oh, crickets.” “Oh, well, I'm making six figures.” “Cool. How much did you invest the last eight, 10 years?” “Oh, okay. Got it.” I'm into this one. Let's go a bit down the rabbit hole here. The following text is courtesy of my friend Brett McKay at Art of Manliness, and we will link to the article in the show notes. Again, I want to do a full episode on this at some point and just debunk all this bullshit. So here's the definition the federal trade commission has given for MLMs. Multilevel marketing is one form of direct selling. It refers to a business model in which a company distributes products through a network of distributors who earn income from their own retail sales or the product and from retail sales made by the distributors direct and indirect recruits because they earn a commission from the sales their recruits make. Each member in the MLM network has an incentive to continue recruiting additional sales representatives into their downlines. This is an okay definition, but to really understand what an MLM is, you have to see it in action, so to say.

[00:35:56] So I'm going to walk you through some of the functioning of a hypothetical MLM company called Company A. Now, every MLM is different in how they work, but they all share the same basic format. So let's say Company A sells weight loss shakes. Instead of putting them on store shelves or selling them direct to consumers through an online store, they recruit salespeople called distributors to sell the shakes for them. To become a distributor, a person needs to buy a distributor starter pack of course from Company A. It costs like 75 bucks, contains brochures about the product, what distributors can do to make money with the company and it also contains a few samples of the product that the potential distributor can give away in order to help sell the product. Jim is approached by a friend who's already a distributor for Company A to become a distributor as well. Jim's friend tells him it's an amazing business opportunity and that he's only telling Jim about this because he's the kind of entrepreneurial guy who could succeed with it. The friend shares how other distributors have been able to make enough money selling shakes that they've paid off the student debt. They bought a second car, they paid off their mortgage, whatever. He says, very little.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:37:04] I got an above ground pool.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:37:07] Above ground pool, right. He says very little about the product itself, except that it's fantastic and it practically sells itself. Jim fills out the application to become a distributor for Company A, buys the $70 starter kit, whatever. Jim can now buy Company A's shakes at a 25 percent discount and sell them to friends and family at the full retail price and keep the profit. That's pretty cool, right? But then Jim sees something in the starter brochure. Instead of just buying the amount of shakes he needs to fulfill the demand for them among his friends and family, which is by the way pride zero. Company A requires Jim to buy $100 worth of shakes each month to maintain his status as a distributor. That company then says you need to do this so you have enough inventory to sell the people so you yourself can use the product as well. Jim gets signed up for an auto delivery system where his credit card is charged a 100 bucks a month. He sent product every month. He's kind of worried about the a 100 dollar recurring charge. But the shakes sell themselves, right? He'll be able to make his money back. Definitely. So Jim starts pitching the shakes to his friends and family members and anybody who will freaking listen because this garage is slowly filling up with this stuff.

[00:38:17] He gets a sale from his mom and that's about it. Most people are just playing on interested. Selling these shakes is a lot harder than he thought it would be. But, Oh, he's just got to put the work in, right? Jim's friend who recruited him into the company starts telling Jim, “Well, the way you really start making money with Company A is you recruit people beneath you to sell the shakes.” When you sign someone up, he explains, “You'll start getting a 10 percent commission on the product you're accrued as required to buy it from Company A.” So 10 bucks a month. This stuff he needs to buy to become a distributor. So if he can get three people to sign up, that means you're earning 10 percent commission on all the product. Those three guys are required to buy plus whatever they purchase beyond that minimum. So now Jim's thinking to himself, “This means this friend of mine is making 10 percent on the shakes I'm required to buy from company.” That's interesting.

[00:39:06] And then of course the friend continues, it gets better. If those three recruits each recruit three people themselves, you're getting 5 percent on the product they buy from the company as well. You'll be a gold star level distributor at this point and you'll be able to buy product from the company at a 30 percent discount. To maintain this status, your group of 12 recruits beneath you has to collectively buy 1200 bucks worth of the product each month from the company, and if those 12 recruits each retain three distributors, you're going to get 5 percent on the product they're required to buy, and at this point you're a double gold star distributor. Those recruits and subrecruits are called your downline. The bigger down line, the more passive income you can make. What an amazing opportunity? So it's essentially more lucrative to get distributors than it is to sell the product itself, which is good news because nobody wants the product, right?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:39:58] Yeah.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:39:59] Arguably, the most defining feature of an MLM is that the main customers of the company's products are not unassociated folks outside the company, but they're the distributors within the company. This is why your mom is pushing this crap so hard. She has to maintain her status, but it costs her in those around her money and it's hurting your relationship. There's a video, we'll link in the show notes about how to spot a pyramid scheme. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean MLM, that's worth watching and you need to be able to rebut her rebuttals. For example, a lot of MLM fans will say, the products are amazing. They're high quality. They're one of a kind, not sold in stores, Jen, right? That's why you can only buy them from a distributor. If the products are as amazing as the parent company's claim they are, then they should do great, sitting next to other products on physical shelves and online.

[00:40:48] If the products really have a competitive advantage because they're so great, they can cure cancer. The company would want to make them available to the widest possible market place, AKA everywhere, and they might say, “Oh, I joined the MLM so I could get a discount on the product.” It's like joining a buyer's club like Costco or Sam's. Okay. I can see this as being a legit argument for joining an MLM. If you like a certain branding, use it frequently enough. Getting the 25 percent off for being part of that might just be worth it, but ask yourself, is it possible to get a similar quality product outside of that MLM for cheaper than the discount I get for being a part of the MLM? The answer almost certainly is yes. The real customers in any MLM--

Jason DeFilippo: [00:41:32] I would like to say not almost, certainly is yes.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:41:34] Certainly it is. Of course it is. The real customers in any MLM or the people inside the MLM. Done and done. What distributors recruiting people into the company won't tell you and what the parent company does a great job of keeping out of the limelight, is that most people who sign up for an MLM receive zero to a few hundred dollars in commission checks a year from the company and by most, I mean literally 90 to 99 percent of all distributors in any MLM. This is based on disclosure statements. This is not a made up stat. In other words, this data comes from the people who run the MLM itself. That's real bad results. That's horrible. And of course, an MLMer is going to likely respond. Well, those 90 percent they didn't try hard or work enough. If you put in the effort, you can succeed. Look, it's perfectly true that you might succeed. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is not probable. Even the MLM companies reluctantly admit in their own financial disclosures that it is almost impossible to do so.

[00:42:44] Why isn't it probable? Not because people are lazy. It's because of the way MLMs actually work. Remember, while not legally a pyramid scheme, MLMs effectively operate like one. To make money on a pyramid scheme, you need to get in early. You've got to be at the top. If you are, yeah, you can make good money, but if you're a latecomer, you're at the bottom of the chain and the vast majority of people will be, the chances of you making money is almost zero because it's going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible to recruit enough people beneath you to generate a good income. There's a chance. It's just a very, very slim one. All right, well there's a chance and the only way you get a chance is by joining. That's what they're going to say. Yeah, and there's also a chance you're going to win the $500 million power ball, but no financial advisor, and they're right effing mind would tell someone to buy $100 worth of lottery tickets every single month so that they have the opportunity to secure their financial future with a fricking jackpot.

[00:43:42] Look, there's so much more to this, but again, I want to do an entire hour on this where the consumer advocate and not just stand in my own soapbox here. There are entire books about this one. It's called MLM Unmasked. I'm going to link the entire text of this book available online for free in the show notes. Also linking an article about how to approach people who've been sucked into this stuff. Here's some basic ground rules. Keep your expectations low. Don't aim to get your mom out of the MLM. I know you want her out. You want her out like now because they've been taken over by freaking zombies. But you need to let that dream go. Just realize you're in this for the long haul. It's going to take more than one chat to help her see what the MLM is doing to them and your family frankly.

[00:44:27] Three, do not act as if they are stupid and you are smarter. Do not do it. I know it's tempting. Don't do it. Trust me on this. Remember your mom has been subjected to essentially mind games and you've got to know your enemy here. Learn about MLMs. There's a ginormous list of resources online. We're going to link some in the show notes. Be kind to yourself. It can be really difficult dealing with a loved one in something like this, and an MLM. Watching them be pulled in further and further. You got to be gentle with yourself and realize your mom's not who she used to be in this particular facet of her life. She's been mindset trained to hell and back. So you need to tread carefully. Everything you say, she's going to have a rebuttal. All you can do is sort of plant the seed. Do not criticize the MLM.

[00:45:16] If you've got to criticize, criticize a different MLM instead, don't criticize the one that she's in because there's so much sunk cost. There's so much psychological commitment and do not buy any more products. Do not join the team. Look one, you're supporting that MLM and their unethical business model by doing so. You don't want that. Two, you're going to be subjected to the same tactics as they were to draw you in. Just do not do it. Resist. Stop doing it. If you have done it, don't do anymore, and keep your contact at a distance. I know it sucks because it's your mom. So you got to be careful here. But if it's a friend, if you're listening to this and your friend is, you got to protect yourself from the BS. So you've got to start pulling away because by protecting yourself, you're the one they can reach out when they need support. They can't reach out to the people they sucked in. So they're isolating themselves. If you stay away, you're the ones she can trust.

[00:46:08] Then talk about things you used to do with them. Shared memories. Remind them of life before the MLM. Remember when we used to go dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. You know back before you were broke because you spent all your money on stupid shakes, that kind of stuff. Talk about their new life from another angle. Instead of saying, “Wow, you're posting on social media like every day. What the hell?” You could say something like, “Hey, what have you been doing with your kids lately? Have you talked to dad much about all this?” You know that kind of stuff. You be careful, you don't have to poke too hard, but plant the seed. Help him see things from multiple perspectives here, your friend or your mom, you know this can be difficult. It can be achieved, it can be quite effective. They've been trained to see things from just one perspective, the MLM perspective. They've lost the ability to see things critically anymore. If you can get them to see their situation from a different perspective, they may be able to start making connections and think their way out of the situation. You can ask them how their old selves might've perceived something like, “Oh, hey mom, what would your old self have said if she knew you were waking up at 3 a.m posting comments on social media trying to sell face cream?” It can be weird that's sort of a time thing or “Hey, have you talked to dad about how all this is working, you know how it's all going?” Don't be judgmental. Just help explore how their actions might be impacting others.

[00:47:25] Has anyone said anything to them? Anyone outside the family about how the MLM is, you know, negatively impacting them? Have you had much negativity? Maybe explore negative comments they've had and where those might've stemmed from? Plant those seeds. Leave her with something to think about. Nonthreatening but relevant topics is the key here. Look, she may or your friend, if you're listening to this, may have been programmed to shut down and stop listening when their MLM is being criticized. You might be able to discuss other relevant issues that they don't see as threatening their ideals. Typically people will be able to see flaws in other MLMs. They may feel able to criticize and listen to criticism of other MLMs because theirs is not the one being targeted. They associate the company with them personally and you can try to present information about other MLMs to get their take on it, show them an income disclosure for another MLM, see what their thoughts are on it.

[00:48:20] They might agree that the MLM in question does indeed have a crappy pay structure and they may be wondering what their own income disclosure for their own MLM looks like. They can Google that, so plant that seed. Pursue it as far as you are able. We will link to some of this in the show notes. Like I said, I'm passionate about this. I want to do a whole hour with a real expert, but I'm sorry to hear it. It's a con. It's a con and there's kind of no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[00:48:45] All right. Life Pro Tip. This one's from our personal experience. Whenever you witness a car accident, make sure you stop and you leave your contact information with both parties. I've kind of thought everyone knew this, but this happened to us recently. The car in front of us merged straight into a car to his left, badly damaged the vehicle. We stopped to provide our information in case they needed it, like thinking you never know. We witnessed it. We were right there. The victim was in a little bit of a state of shock. Didn't even want to take our information. I was like, “Take my phone number, man.” And he's like, “Okay, immigrant didn't really speak English.” I was like, “Take my number, take my number.” The insurance company contacts us a week later to get our version of events. Turns out the guilty guy who had the scene was all like, “My bad. I didn't see you. Sorry. It's totally my fault. He tried to blame everything on the victim,” and--

Jason DeFilippo: [00:49:35] Oh, that's sucked.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:36] It sucked.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:49:37] It sucks so much.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:49:38] It does. It sucks. I get it though, he was probably thinking, I'm going to get fired. He was driving a truck, actually a commercial vehicle. So the insurance agent said, “Hey, we really appreciate that you took your time to leave the contact info of the victim has an eye witness to help him. You know, it sucks, but even the insurance agent, who by the way was the insurance agent for the person who was at fault. She was like, “Thank you for being honest because the guy has lied to us about this. Because he's probably afraid he's going to lose his job.” And I thought, I get it. I get it. I wouldn't want to lose my job either.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:50:15] No. Absolutely not. And by the way, I have a side story about it.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:50:19] Yeah, go ahead.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:50:19] My roommate got hit by a car a couple of like that about two months ago, and it was just a guy who was a service guy at the local car dealership where I got my new car. You know, I actually just got my new car from this dealership and he was looking the wrong way, he was looking right while turning left and ran into my roommate and just plowed her down and he did the right thing when the cops came and actually owned up to it. But there were like 10 people that saw the accident happen because it was in the, you know, grocery store parking lot, and all these people came forward and said, “Here's my phone number. Here's my phone number.” Everybody came forward, the guy did the right thing. And fortunately, this was right before Christmas and we were really upset and we're just like, “We don't want him to lose his job before Christmas because he screwed up.” He did screw up, almost killed my roommate, which was a bad thing, but he didn't. So he got to keep his job. He copped to it. But everybody else came forward in the parking lot and said, “Hey, I saw this. This is what happened. This is what happened.” And I think that really was a big factor in the police report saying that, you know, she didn't do wrong, he did wrong, and you just need to do that kind of thing because that's what we're here for. You got to stand up for the people that you see around you when something bad goes down.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:51:49] Yeah. I agree. You can't let people get away with this crap. It's horrible. It screws people so hard too. It's just not worth it.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:51:56] Yeah. Because I mean, if this guy had come back and said it wasn't my fault and it was her fault, it would've been a whole battle. But he did do the right thing, but everybody else came forward and said that, “No, this is the way it went down.” So it was just one of those things where it's like, so many people came to her defense and protected her and it was a great thing. Everybody needs to do that. When you see something happen, write it down. Talk to the people who were involved, talk to the cops, talk to everybody. Just say that I saw this. Please. All the time.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:33] Civic duty, bro. Civic duty, bro.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:52:36] Seriously, because it really helps. It really does help.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:40] Recommendation of the week. Jason, I was gone. What do you got?

Jason DeFilippo: [00:52:42] Dude, I went back and watch your recommendation of the week, which is the Fire Festival story on Netflix.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:47] Oh yeah.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:52:49] Oh my God.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:52:50] I know.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:52:51] What an incredible story that was. I stayed up like way past my bedtime and I was just transfixed by the whole thing. I was just like, “How can this guy do this? How can this guy do this?” It's like everybody knew that this was going to fail.

Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:09] Yeah.

Jason DeFilippo: [00:53:10] And it was just incredible. I haven't seen the Hulu version of the story because there's another, there's like this story is so incredible that there are two competing like video on demand services that are putting out documentaries on it. I watched the Netflix one that you recommended and I thought it was incredible. And this guy, he got six years in jail. I think that should have a zero after it. But man, what a crazy story. So if you have Netflix, go check out The Fire Festival.

 

Jordan Harbinger: [00:53:44] Yeah, it's so interesting. Hulu has one as well. Hope you enjoy that. I want to thank everyone that wrote in this week. Don't forget, you can email us friday@jordanharbinger.com to get your questions answered on the air. We'll keep you anonymous always. Quick shout out to Rojenski. Rojenski, I don't know. Quit his job, started his own business, sending us some pretty awesome shoes. Thanks for that. 27, quit a nine to five and is now working on footwear company. Very cool. Very cool. Proudy man. Go back and check out the Cesar Millan and Todd Herman episodes. Those are really good at tie. Caesar was awesome. Todd's got some great takeaways. You can apply right away if you haven't heard those yet, go back and do it.

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